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"Thanks for the comment, @CharleneLI . Yep, so much work still to be done. Such a great time to be doing what we do.:)  Look forward to continuing the dialog as well." - Sameer

"Agree, it can be so much more. But its being overcomplicated. As I said on Twitter yesterday, Social Business is the first e.g. in the history of software innovation where the pundits/consultants have obfuscated simple technology. Generally its the other way around. Thanks for the comment, Walter." - Sameer

"I hope we get there soon. The tectonic shifts that businesses are facing these days require all good execution ideas. I believe that there are many decisive points where a credible business case can be made.   Thanks for the comment." - Sameer

"Thanks for the comment, Ana. This notion of aligning the value of social and collaborative approaches to core objectives has been around since at least 2009. Its great that Deloitte is using its reach to promote a similar message. And its not surprising - given the typical client that Deloitte would deal with, this line of thinking is imperative.  I agree with your assertion, above re: operational pain points. More important than what I think, you know whats great? More and more practitioners are now shedding notions around social business that have commanded the airwaves and designing their own contextual programs around social business that take into account significant alignment with operational and financial objectives." - Sameer

"Awesome stuff, Chris. I'm in general agreement. I was afraid that his post would come off as a pooh pooh on social business, instead of it being one of many calls to up level the game. I've bet my career on the the value of social and collaborative approaches so I'm as vested as anyone to see this succeed. This isn't really for someone like you - you know this all to well but its an expansion of my take in the original post:With respect to value created, Im with you. At every subsequent E20 conference I've showcased those customer stories and many many of those examples included Jive customers. That said, I hope we get closer to making a stronger value proposition for those organizations that havent jumped on the bandwagon, as well as for those where these efforts have largely gone unsponsored and practitioners are struggling to make a go at it from just a "social business" vantage point. They need executive buy in and core process knowledge to unhinge business activity thats been..." - Sameer

"Thanks.  Re: Experts - I stand on the shoulders of giants who have been putting out practical messages re: #socbiz for a long time.  Sadly, in our industry, those giant's voices get drowned out. Some are thinkers, others are doers. I try to bring attention to them on his blog as often as I can (as do others) but more can be done." - Sameer

"The thing is I do believe that the fundamental principles and intent of whats behind #SocBiz is solid.  But the palatable version of this (that most buyers would warm up to) wont come from thin air cover value propositions. The bridge to get them to the promise land requires an intimate understanding how their broken tasks/processes are well...broken before you have the currency to suggest a fix. In practical terms thats a partner ship between those who understand how collaboration works and those who have seen unnecessarily tight process controls fail over and over again.We will see this next version play out in 2012 and 2013. May not be called Social Business but the underlying value will start to be delivered. The train has left the station. Thanks for the comment and kind words, Mike." - Sameer

"Im down with that. :)" - Sameer

"Great, Greg. Not that you asked for one but keep at it would be my suggestion." - Sameer

"Thank you, Esteban. Organizations, and in turn executives, already have performance objectives that keep them up at night. As soon as we lose the religion and start to feed directly into those existing currents, the flood gates will open. Alternatively, we can continue to play salmon. :)" - Sameer

""Much more is at stake besides winning arguments on the social web. " - Agree. To be fair, I dont think any of the constituencies are in it to win the arguments. Other biases exist but there is a genuine desire to make it work by those in PR, in marketing or collaboration. .  I've seen my fair share of succeses as well and the last few posts here have cited many of those. That said Im still convinced that jamming social down the throats of a good chunk of organizations wont be the way to get the point across to them. (Not saying your implying that we do that.) Thanks for the comment. :)" - Sameer

"Extremely kind, Michael.  I've never loved the term but I've always believed (and lived by) this about the world of "influence": The more you give away, the more you have. And you've demonstrated that here ...Thanks again." - Sameer

"This is more of an overview on what transpired at Lotusphere. I'm sure there will be a host of presentations made available by IBM." - Sameer

"Ha! The stuff you presented was my kind of #socbiz. I was told that there would be a recording but havent seen it yet. Let me know if you find it first. :)" - Sameer

"Had a spectacular bistro lunch today at Pastis. My wife had the burger and I had mussels and frites. The burger is hands down the best burger in Palo Alto now and Ive pretty much tried them all. The…" - Sameer

"Agree. I don't think it needs to be so. Hope we see more of the kind that conforms to the user in 2012. Thanks for the comment." - Sameer

"Its a blend of both but yes, it certainly does bring out the best. Thanks for the comment." - Sameer

"Thx, Emanuele. V kind. RE: Rypple being that foundation - No. Its a set of socialized objects that adds intelligence to the profile as you imply. But its the kind of critical stuff that truly gives both HR managers and fellow employees the insight needed to know who to rely on and when. The system of record still is and will always be a combination of whats in the core HRIS system, and these newer forms of implicit and explicit data points that truly expose the value and capabilities of a participant. Thanks, as always, for the thoughtful comments. - )" - Sameer

"Thanks, Larry. Looking forward to seeing these investments rationalized/operationalized." - Sameer

"Why make "like" a condition?" - Sameer

"Yeah. The 'Like' gesture has grown on me, I have to admit. Just needs to be used and translated in a responsible way. :)" - Sameer

"Exactly. I get the need for marketing metrics and like it or not, thats how people are goaled. I just wonder if were mixing what done at the awareness and education stages with tactics that work at the qualified level.  The other way to look at it is that were increasingly borrowing  from marketing 1.0 tactics which won't scale on the social web." - Sameer

"Thanks Martijn. I don't have a problem with 'Likes' as a gesture, or one that marketing pays attention to. At the awareness and education stages, theres lots of value here and its the first step towards starting engagement.Just that when you are offering coupons to push Likes, the metrics start to get really squishy to some degree and you better be ready to scale  re: engaging with a wide, unqualified segment." - Sameer