Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 11

I'm standing by waiting for the usual call. - Robert Scoble

Cool! - Stephen Pickering

Hey Scoble, it's not that Paul. - Cliff Gerrish

Oh, crap. It's Paul Carr then? - Robert Scoble

Which Paul will it be.... - Chris Aldrich

It's a mystery Paul, you'll need to tune in to see. - Cliff Gerrish

McCartney? :-)))) - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: now THAT would be a show! - Robert Scoble

Heheheheh - Stephen Pickering

We will be starting shortly. - Robert Scoble

http://twitter.com/brianstorms is our special guest. Brian Dear. - Robert Scoble

Gillmor Gang recording session live with Brian Dear, Paul Carr, Kevin Marks & Scoble- http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

Ahhh, cool, thanks for the link - Stephen Pickering

The Plato birthday party will be at the Computer History Museum: http://www.computerhistory.org/events... - Cliff Gerrish

They did a great job - Stephen Pickering

hmmm. Friendfeed isn't letting me post. trying from a different place. - Karoli

Karoli: that worked. - Robert Scoble

Karoli, I'm seeing your post saying you aren't able to post. - Cliff Gerrish

This is a classic battle of who has the most leverage. Happens in every industry - Stephen Pickering

It's sort of like when Apple got rid of the disk drive. - Cliff Gerrish

Bah. Buy the 3G. The iPad's all about convenience. - Ken Sheppardson

yes, posting from the NGL beta window works. - Karoli

Re: iPad - interesting post by Fred Wilson changing his opinion about the iPad: http://www.avc.com/a_vc... - Mike Doeff

the Evo has lasted me for 2 days without plugging in - David Robit Chen

It's really a format question... why isn't there more cross interaction between my three screens: television, computer, and phone/mobile device? - Chris Aldrich

We're going to buy the 3G. It makes sense to have one that goes on the road. - Karoli

I'm really annoyed that I pay AT&T $120/mo and not tethering - Stephen Pickering

Chris, the smaller screens need to control the bigger screens. - Cliff Gerrish

And I can't hear my phone calls - Stephen Pickering

Task killer? Now that just reminds me horribly of my days prior to iPhone, aka when I suffered with Windows Mobile. - Nick Wade

I think it's the other way around, the big screens need to allow the smaller screens in for interaction. - Chris Aldrich

3G is the fill in network. Filling in the cracks between wifi signals. - Cliff Gerrish

Karoli: Do it. I messed with a tethered WiFi for a bit, then got a 3G... 3G rulez. Not having to worry about another device is worth it. - Ken Sheppardson

I got the 3G iPad last week. I haven't activated it yet but I like knowing it's there. - Mike Doeff

Yeah, but why won't AT&T let me get the 3G off my iPhone for my iPad? - Stephen Pickering

Berkeley/Oakland, no iPad sighting for me yet - Da

But then Apple doesn't make as much Brian if they don't tether you to the iTunes store.... That's the real tethering issue. - Chris Aldrich

I think we'll see iPad sync via wifi fairly soon. That's what the Lala.com acquisition was about. - Cliff Gerrish

And now Google has a UI Expert! - Stephen Pickering

Yep. Just like my Palm Pre. Apple could do it if they wanted to. It's not unique to Android. - Ken Sheppardson

Seems like Google eats UI experts alive. - Cliff Gerrish

And open source advocates, and startups... - Ken Sheppardson

Brian Dear has Androids new slogan: 'A phone that a sysadmin would love...' - Cliff Gerrish

Kind of like the Hollywood mantra... Porn directors drive old cheap Corollas so they can save money for liquor and drugs. - Chris Aldrich

Brian makes a good point. The iTunes synch makes the whole iPad experience too complex for novice users. - Mike Doeff

Buying a computer at Target or Walmart is a different experience - Da

The problem with that argument is that there aren't 11 fake versions of me on Facebook. - Chris Aldrich

Yes, but there may be more than one Chris Aldrich - Stephen Pickering

If you want to be found, yes, you make things public. That shouldn't be his call. - Ken Sheppardson

Who's call should it be? - Cliff Gerrish

there are over 10k versions of me on Facebook :) - until you start narrowing in on my nicknames - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

What about the issue Leo has about that Facebook is making a "grab" to control the web? - Stephen Pickering

Didn't we have this same convo last week? And the week before? And the week before that? - Ken Sheppardson

Facebook has 500 million co-conspirators in its 'grab' for the web - Cliff Gerrish

I've argued that you should have two separate pages, one public facing the other totally private - Stephen Pickering

I'm having trouble understanding how Facebook opening up more is a grab for the web. The more public it is, the easier to scrape & repurpose. - Ian McGee

sounds like Facebook is trying to make the same change that sites like Geocities tried - the move from hobby/personal to hobby/personal/business - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

But even my flower shop should be able to post up drunken photos and have privacy settings to prevent all of my Mormon customers from seeing them. - Chris Aldrich

I think Leo is talking about the "Like" implementation - Stephen Pickering

So what do we do when the bad starts to creep up? When the porn sites, smashers, hackers and unethical users begin to leverage this power and blame it on Facebook? - Jeff Madlock

calling us dumb isn't really great for getting us to listen. do you think we're not aware they sell data? - Karoli

Banking and Airlines operate in a very strict regulatory regime. Europe has started that regime. - Cliff Gerrish

Adding a like button is opt in. - Cliff Gerrish

I like the "like" button myself but I'm just re iterating Leo's argument. What happens when you like something? Do the users know their data is being collected and funneled through third parties when they "like" something? - Stephen Pickering

With Facebook and privacy, one can use the cigarette analogy: doing it is bad for you in the long term, but a smoke today feels pretty good. The giving away of privacy today may not have consequences until it kills us 50 years from now. - Chris Aldrich

Great analogy Chris, I heard someone else make that argument earlier this week. Can't remember who. - Stephen Pickering

Chris, depending how old you are -- that's not a problem. - Cliff Gerrish

The "like button" will be an incredible tool for cultural anthropologists at least... - Chris Aldrich

perpetual beta - Da

Jay Rosen said Zuck's WP Editorial was "a bunch of crap" - Stephen Pickering

I love the expectation of public roadmaps now. Can't think of anyone doing it 5-10 years ago, but it's incredibly useful. Little hard to mesh with constant iteration though. - Ian McGee

I'm starting to feel like a rat who gets a treat for clicking on ads... Who is it that's doing the research on us? - Chris Aldrich

Yes, but he build his network on privacy and then pulled the rug - Stephen Pickering

I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Free stuff has a price. - Karoli

Tungle.me rocks - Ian McGee

Yes, Karoli, but TV and Radio don't share are data surreptiously - Stephen Pickering

just be selective with what you put on the internet - Da

Stephen, TV and Radio made assumptions, reached a small fraction of who they could reach. I like seeing ads that I might be interested in. - Karoli

Somebody needs to have a long talk with Robert about self-selection. People who don't want their calendars public don't sign up for public calendar services. The fact that those who do make their calendar's public doesn't speak to what "we" want. - Ken Sheppardson

Now I do agree that Flippy or whatever it is, is silly. No way would I do that. - Karoli

Oh sure, Karoli, I'm all in favor of the Google model - Stephen Pickering

Public signaling is playing with masks. It doesn't represent a true state of affairs. - Cliff Gerrish

Yeah, I heard you laughing Scoble! - Stephen Pickering

@stevegillmor can you skype me in now? calliflower won't let me rejoin - Kevin Marks

Kevin, stand by. - Cliff Gerrish

Anyone else lose audio? - thestaticfrost

re:Blippy - isn't it interesting that Orwell et al.'s visions are coming true, only it's in the guise of cute/whimsical Web 2.0 names and Facebook games about sheep... - Alex Schleber

NM, had to reload. - thestaticfrost

Yahoo is an online media company? - Da

Fixing culture in a company that big is a huge problem. - Chris Aldrich

They've got Flickr and Finance. Does anyone use anything else there? - Stephen Pickering

Delicious. - Cliff Gerrish

Yahoo news - Da

I consider Facebook the new AOL - Karoli

Way too many people are still using their email client... - Chris Aldrich

no facebook is not the new yahoo - Wayne Sutton

But far more people spend far more time on Facebook than Yahoo... - Ian McGee

Yahoo Buzz gets large volumes of traffic too... I'm not sure why though. - Chris Aldrich

People spend 7hours a month on Facebook, no other site is even close, the problem is they can't monetize it and that's why they haven't gone public and had to take DST's money - Stephen Pickering

Facebook doesn't have a mobile OS - Da

BTW, for me UStream is constantly re-caching when I have the browser tab in focus (my connection is plenty fast); works OK as just audio in the background. - Alex Schleber

Why doesn't Yahoo build a great social network? Did you see that POS they tried a few years back? Build one that's cool and works and does everything FB does - Stephen Pickering

Will Yahoo buy a location-based platform? - Wayne Sutton

yahoo answer to get homework answered is great - Da

Sooner or later the individual user will have the tools to control and maintain their own infrastructure on the web and will link out into the world instead of relying on FB and other social media sites. - Chris Aldrich

Facebook NewsFeed is getting meatier iwth all the new-media news groups I've been adding to my stream -- TechCrunch, VentureBeat, etc. plus a bunch of affiliation groups. I'm finding more stories there and on Twittertim.es lately.. - Ian McGee

Chris, totally agreed, everyday there are new tools for "average" users to build there own sites with advanced features. Scoble interviewed Buzzr which is a usability layer on top of Drupal - Stephen Pickering

I was just watching that Buzzr interview just before this started. It's definitely a good start... - Chris Aldrich

All this talk about user built apps makes me miss hypercard... - Cliff Gerrish

Yeah, that kind of thing I believe could disrupt a Facebook in the next 5-10 years, maybe less - Stephen Pickering

I mean Drupal just rocks, but its so hard, give the average person that kind of power easily, and I feel something new developing - Stephen Pickering

The central social index gives facebook an advantage over distributed systems. - Cliff Gerrish

HyperCard is locked in Steve Jobs's basement; thats the trouble with building on one company's code - Kevin Marks

I love the potential of projects like Webfinger to be one of the enabling strategies for all of this. - Chris Aldrich

Hypercard turned into javascript and then jquery... - Cliff Gerrish

The only reason Facebook is important is because we have a dearth of connectivity. When everyone has a fiber connection a totally new peer to peer type of revolution will happen, I believe, decentralized, with the intelligence at the edges of the network - Stephen Pickering

We will each be our own facebook page, connected to each other with the same or even better features - Stephen Pickering

there is an architectural imperative because of NAT against distributed clients; My hope is that IPv6 will change this again - Kevin Marks

I also think FB has removed a lot of the "force" behind someone's desire to build their own page. They're effectively already doing it with FB, so something new has to have real benefits. - Ian McGee

Ian, it will - Stephen Pickering

It has to do with easy usability layers on top of real power, just as OSX is a usability layer on top of Unix - Stephen Pickering

And when that finally appears. we'll all be glad so much of the social graph is open for us to leverage. - Ian McGee

Just as computing became decentralized, so will social networking - Stephen Pickering

Ian, Right! - Stephen Pickering

as time goes on, are non-tech people gonna be reluctant to develop iPhone apps because they have to submit it for approval from Apple? - Da

FYI: http://www.platohistory.org/confere... - Chris Aldrich

Da, Yes - Stephen Pickering

Great show. - Mike Doeff

Da, that's already going on. Many developers are taking a close look at Android to replace; just takes more Android units out there to make it clear. - Ian McGee

And most of all, THANK YOU Steve for always putting these together! - Chris Aldrich

thanks to all of you. good show. :) - Karoli

Thanks, Steve and Gang - Stephen Pickering

Good stuff. - Ian McGee

Nice show - thanks much everyone! - Rob La Gesse

Thanks Rob! - Stephen Pickering

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