Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1:

who's on today? - dlature

Steve and some other folks. - Cliff Gerrish

3rd base - Jesse Stay

What's on second? - Cliff Gerrish

haha - Dale Lature

nobody said "I dont know" - Dale Lature

Any Hungarian content? - Aron Michalski

anybody got skype 5? - Dale Lature

We will start soon. - Robert Scoble

I heard Danny Sullivan's voice so far. Not sure who else is on. - Robert Scoble

It's Gillmor Gang time with @stevegillmor @scobleizer @dannysullivan http://www.building43.com/realtim... - Kevin Marks

storm coming here...hope I dontlose power or internet - Dale Lature

live now - Robert Scoble

Droid Incredibe! - Da

Gillmor Gang Live now with Mike Arrington, Danny Sullivan, Kevin Marks and Scoble at http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

if you don't want it online, don't put it online - Da

Anybody back Diaspora with some cash? - Alex de Soto

http://www.pledgebank.com/leavefa... has a few hundred signups. Da, people didn't think it *was* online - Kevin Marks

Managing stream access control is a new primary online skill. - Cliff Gerrish

I did Alex - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

FB should keep it simple. Did you see this infographic? http://www.nytimes.com/interac... - Alex de Soto

FB changed of all profile settings and likes into public pages: eg http://bit.ly/bVGdKj - Kevin Marks

Exactly right it's a big deal - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

It's easy to say "so they have my data" but explain that to a person who was sharing very personal lifestyle issues to only private friends and now can be discovered they have an alternative life style by their boss or coworkers - *thats* the pain of the change of default privacy settings. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Scoble - but during all of those previous growth phases the user's basic data was still default private. I had to *invite* you into my facebook realm. Now it's default public and that is different - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

my facebook hasn't shared my stuff with yelp. I remember one time there was a page that appeared on my facebook asking if I wanted to share and I clicked no and that i haven't seen FB stuff on my other accounts. If my stuff's being shared, let me know - Da

"We" don't all know that. - Ken Sheppardson

Agreed, in previous phases it was default private. It became a trusted to reconnect with family and old friends. It allowed a deep emotional connection to those people become representative of the service. Opening it up is disregarding that. *edit* --> And as we've just seen on #GG, this is clearly a highly emotional issue. - Nick Wade

"in previous phases" was a 19 year old kid. - Johnny

Because we trust you Scoble and that's different than exposing to the world. And we are not the same people as average FB Joe or Jane. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Jeez, Robert... it's opt-out. The fact that they haven't opted out doesn't mean staying in was an explicit choice. - Ken Sheppardson

For some reason Scoble is taking the refutation of his sample set as a personal attack - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Nobody "normal" reads TechCrunch... let alone comments on posts there. - Ken Sheppardson

Robert: Average consumers probably don't know a lot about privacy on the Web and a lot of them are also put off and scared by the chatter. - Alex de Soto

We're all edgy on this Mike. It's a touchy debate. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

If you understand how gossip works, you understand how linked social graphs work. - Cliff Gerrish

exactly Cliff- you understand how gossip works after it impacts you or someone you love - Kevin Marks

Mark - oh for sure - I went off the handle a couple days ago when discussing this with Jesse - it's sooo easy to do when you talk privacy and come from vastly different background assumptions of what privacy means - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

... and with vastly different assumptions about what *other people* think privacy means. - Ken Sheppardson

Most people I know filter the information before it goes up. If they don't want it known, they don't upload. If they do, they already have their profile locked down. - Johnny

Kevin, or when you here a particularly juicy piece of gossip. "how did you hear that?" - Cliff Gerrish

@Mike Exactly - Privacy is not a well defined scope. Each person has a different view on what info is personal and what's OK to share to the world. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Privacy is what other people agree not to pass on. - Cliff Gerrish

Facebook is Walmart... - Johnny

No, you're involved in the choices and control -- but you have a say. - Cliff Gerrish

Disagree. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

100,000 / $10 = 10,000 vs 400,000,000 - Johnny

Facebook has reinvented the AOL of the 90's - and i think it will go the way AOL did - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I don't think the AOL comparison is useful. - Cliff Gerrish

Bear, yes... and will make a tonne of money doing it. - Johnny

isn't this what they said about myspace? - Da

Facebook has a much different model than AOL. - Robert Scoble

It's Facebook vs Google vs Twitter, and Google and Twitter don't seem to have really joined the fight yet. - Ken Sheppardson

For a lot of people, Facebook IS the web for people. They made it so, not Facebook. The 'web' is large and confusing. Facebook made it simple. People like simple. - Johnny

Evening all - can we get off the privacy and talk about future of semantic / structured data - has the FB changes meant enough websites will start adopting? - Nick Halstead

Cliff - why not? AOL was also a closed environment that slowly added on features and also pissed off many of it's original users when they changed. In some ways that is the same thing that FB is doing - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Nick: next week. :-) - Robert Scoble

Facebook grew up in the age of the web; AOL was pre-historic. - Cliff Gerrish

10 years from now, Facebook=MySpace=Friendster-Classmates - A new child will rise, they always do if people revolt due to direction (or lack of). - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

DId you see @blaine's 'Facebook is my new BoatCar' post? http://bit.ly/at3OB0 - Kevin Marks

what's FB's motto? - Da

Cliff - it may have grown up in the age of the web but it isn't a peer at all in the realm of the web. It's a view only portal into their data - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Man, I wish I'd thought of the kickstarter angle before the Diaspora guys. Most direct cashing in on a meme I've seen to date. - Ken Sheppardson

Walmart is trying to take over 'shopping'... - Johnny

Facebook is moving from a walled garden to putting a permeable membrane in place. That's what all the complaints are about. - Cliff Gerrish

flash = dead - bored now - Nick Halstead

Cliff - I'll believe that as soon as they put their own *Connect code on their own web site - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Indeed, Exactly. Shop at a local store - Johnny

What is the name of the book Mike mentioned on the network effect - TonyatMATC

All the Flash developers I speak to are all thinking about retraining in new technologies - its already happening - Nick Halstead

But if I tell you I got a cheap deal at Walmart, you might go. - Johnny

I hope so... if only to push Apple - Johnny

EVO 4G! - Da

Verizon provides it out of the box on the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus. I'm sure they'll roll it out on Android - Ken Sheppardson

I can tether on my iPhone here in Oz... - Johnny

I think Sprint will allow tethering on the upcoming 4G HTC android phone. - Alex de Soto

Will the carriers rest Android away from Google? - Cliff Gerrish

The Google store is gone. Right? - Alex de Soto

Wave, Google Store, Buzz... big year for Google :-/ - Ken Sheppardson

If Google Android store goes down, then people can get Androids programs somewhere else - Da

the carriers may make the version 2.* of android they already have the only version they support and just iterate new hardware - much like what happened with WinMobile - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I still haven't found a cell phone that gives the call quality and low latency of a land line. Maybe I'm just imagining things. - Ken Sheppardson

Google's in beta all the time - Da

Ken, you're talking about latency like it's a bad thing... - Cliff Gerrish

Yeah, I guess I'm old school that way. - Ken Sheppardson

Latency is a bad thing in a phone. Most of cellphone lag is in the codecs. - Kevin Marks

HP's webOS FTW ;-/ - Ken Sheppardson

The question is whether Android is just a commercial for iOs (iphone/ipad) - Cliff Gerrish

didn't Android just passed iPhone? - Da

He threw away voice, 'cause he couldn't get it to work right. - Ken Sheppardson

Gotta love latency. - Ken Sheppardson

wishing for G722 audio on these shows - Jerry Schuman

Salesbook? - Ken Sheppardson

looking forward to what comes next to the EVO 4G - Da

Wave is back.. and the thing is getting blazing fast. - Jerry Schuman

If you didn't log in to Wave this year, be sure to log in next year... - Cliff Gerrish

Open Standard people work at Mozilla also - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jerry a crappy interface that runs fast is still a crappy interface. - Robert Scoble

I agree about the interface issues.. but again.. Wave as a technology platform in the hands of a developer community... the best is still ahead. - Jerry Schuman

Wave and Buzz API's will allow the devs to finally start showing the possibilities of both tech platforms - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jerry: smart developers will rip Wave out of that crappy interface. :-) - Robert Scoble

Any year now. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken - it's only been year, not long at all for new tech - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert: correct and it's what I said would happen from the initial launch. I hate the email metaphor as much as you.. - Jerry Schuman

I wish the Diaspora guys would spend their $140K on that instead... - Ken Sheppardson

Facebooks needs a social graph access control visualization -- instead of text based access control, visual controls. - Cliff Gerrish

I'd be scared if Google reveals my browsing history, on all the the devices I use - Da

If the Diaspora guys are smart they will research the already present platforms (buzz, wave, ostatus, etc) and implement a common service to consolidate them - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

If the Diaspora guys were really that smart they would have shipped already. Too much talk. - Robert Scoble

good point Scoble - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Heck, they haven't even *started* yet, Robert. I think they're going to spend most of the summer printing t-shirts and burning CDs to send out to contributors - Ken Sheppardson

NO give it away now! - Jerry Schuman

Just give it to me - Jerry Schuman

But Google display ads based on key words and history, that's not aggregating your true personal identity. It's a weaker "guess" to who you are. It's not true 1-to-1 aggregation and sharing. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Kevin Marks is a negative nelly that needs to take happy pills - Ken Sheppardson

Ill take it - carnell washington jr

WHAT (but I don't want one) - Ben Metcalfe

CrunchPad! - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

what - Nick Halstead

What? (heh) - Nick Wade

lol - Nick Halstead

Kevin Marks is a negative nelly that needs to take happy pills - Ken Sheppardson

Kevin Marks is NOT a negative nelly! - Ben Metcalfe

kevin mark is a negative something and needs to take happy pills - Nick Halstead

:P - Nick Halstead

kevine marks is anegative nelly and he needs to take happy pills - Jerry Schuman

kevin marks is a negative nelly that needs to take happy pills - Smashing

lol - hey didnt know I was taking a typing test tonight :) - Nick Halstead

do they have to spell my name right? - Kevin Marks

heh - Ken Sheppardson

I dont need the ticket :) so dont give it to me! - Nick Halstead

"I still haven't found a cell phone that gives the call quality and low latency of a land line. Maybe I'm just imagining things." - No, you're not. Quality requires bandwidth. That battle was lost before it was fought. - John Craft

Hey I beat Nick - Jerry Schuman

Kevin Marks is a negative nellie and needs to take some happy pills. - Richard

lol richard, were you watch in some kind of timewarp? - Nick Halstead

give me an excuse to see my 18 year old daughter in NYC - Jerry Schuman

hah. sorry for saying that so fast. i'll give away 3 - Ken, Nick and Manielse. - Michael Arrington

BAH! - Jerry Schuman

two extras for pure comedy. just email me at editor@techcrunch - Michael Arrington

looks like Nick will be sending his to Jerry - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Mike, just to say the reason I said I didn't want one is that I will not be able to make it over to NY... I'm sure it will be a great conference. - Ben Metcalfe

Don't waste one on me... I'm flat broke, by product of 3 daughters in college and being a serial entrepreneur. I do wish I could attend though. - Jerry Schuman

Mike, what what the name of the book you referenced on networking, I could not hear it - TonyatMATC

where is audio of the previous gillmor gangs? can't find any from shows since 04/22? - franzstehrn

"What" - Richard

I am watching GG from Friday on Newgang Live beta:-) - Francine Hardaway

Trying to figure out the book on the network effect Mike mentioned. Anyone know the name? - Scott Kingery

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