Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Morton Fox,
Nir Ben Yona,
Stephen Pickering,
Robert Scoble,
John Taschek,
Tina Chase Gillmor,
OCoG of FF, Jimminy,
Andrew Hazlett,
Alex de Soto,
Jerome Hughes,
Aron Michalski,
and
Kathleen Hassinger
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Is FF considered the chat room or Ustream? Don't see a chatroom option in Ustream page.
- beersage
FF is the chat.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, was there an ep last week?
- beersage
Yup!
- Robert Scoble
Steve and Tina, waiting for your call...
- Robert Scoble
I'm on a desktop now, but how do you find the show on the Ustream Viewer App on iOS? I searched Gillmor Gang and Newsgang, no results
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I hate the Ustream viewer. I can never find anything on it.
- Robert Scoble
and with a crazy cough, we're live!
- Michael Breslin
If you access the http://www.building43.com/realtim... there is a scrolling chat to the right of the window.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: Me too! heheh
- Stephen Pickering
Did it snow in SF?
- Alex de Soto
"If Apple does anything to restrict the amount of content available on the iPad. Game over. They lose." - @Ihnatko
- Stephen Pickering
That sounded like an analog phone ringing on Scoble's desk... a rotary?
- Andrew Hazlett
yes Alex: http://youtu.be/peP53ULq3mo
- Kevin Marks
normal people don't use flipboard
- Andrew Hazlett
The only apps I use are Twitter, Browser, Gmail, Kindle, Netflix, Instagram. I buy games, but I grow tired of them
- Stephen Pickering
Yeah, but Robert, for instance the Ustream App is not as good as the web experience
- Stephen Pickering
aside from NPR i'd rather have a website of any newspaper than their silly apps
- Andrew Hazlett
well, Scoble's iPad probably looks like a treadmill on speed.
- Aron Michalski
If podcasting was dead nobody would want audio only.
- Michael Breslin
what's the "audio" for that, Steve?
- dlature
Fuck Normal.
- Aron Michalski
Wednesday = incremental upgrade.
- Michael Breslin
Does the iPad rub your belly and explain the things you don't understand?
- Aron Michalski
I AM SO NORMAL
- Richard
Trolls!
- Stephen Pickering
If you don't know what normal is, don't use the term.
- Aron Michalski
Aron: OK.
- Robert Scoble
Will the new iPad have a Thunderbolt port?
- Alex de Soto
49999 ipads and 1 xoom to scoble
- Michael Breslin
Or Mainstream
- Stephen Pickering
Under the influential...
- Aron Michalski
Alex - and / or iPhone 5?
- Jerome Hughes
True Wrist was a disappointing demo. Would've had a wow factor had the guy brought a headcam so the audience could see from his perspective.
- beersage
is there a point?
- Laura Norvig
How about @Room_77?
- Alberto Saavedra
I uploaded to youtube this week http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Marks
The comments were just mindblowingly Techcrunchy.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin is that a tummel show? I'm sorry I missed the Jeff Jarvis episode
- Stephen Pickering
does it have a black light setting?
- Aron Michalski
Anyone Tracking the Social Revolution Communications out of the Middle East?
- Arnie Klaus
The CIA is just padding their budget.
- Aron Michalski
no, that's my puppies. http://tummelvision.tv is audio only
- Kevin Marks
I was hoping the Macbooks would be solid state or at least Hybrid
- Stephen Pickering
the *new
- Stephen Pickering
the Air's are solid state, and the macbooks have an option
- Kevin Marks
mostly nonsense
- Michael Breslin
When Netflix mails me a DVD do they pay a fee to the producer every time it is rented, as well as having purchased the DVD?
- Stephen Pickering
AFAIK no, Stephen, they rely on first sale doctrine.
- Kevin Marks
Pickering: No. First Sale Doctrine.
- coldbrew
too slow :)
- coldbrew
ssd mtbf isn't much lower than mechanical drives, for one
- Michael Breslin
for two they're new enough that they haven't been running long enough to really know
- Michael Breslin
What is first sale doctrine?
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks Coldbrew
- Stephen Pickering
:)
- coldbrew
I just finished paying off my iPad I!
- Stephen Pickering
My iPad has been crashing a lot lately. Is Objective C a faulty or "archaic" language? I've heard that from some corners.
- Stephen Pickering
Keep the kids working in iPod City...
- Aron Michalski
same price
- Arnie Klaus
no way lower, same price
- Michael Breslin
they didn't have such a lead there, Robert
- Jerome Hughes
no competition
- Arnie Klaus
i'd buy 2 if they were 100$
- Michael Breslin
Apple won't even sell you a cable for less than $100.
- Laura Norvig
heck, they're selling 3GS's for $50 now...
- Aron Michalski
I've got enough contracts, thanks.
- coldbrew
Costs in rare materials (screen, etc.) will keep the price up.
- Arnie Klaus
SSD Performance - declines: http://bit.ly/em2EQ1 - probably mostly refuted by the manufacturers now
- John Taschek
$50 with contract isn't $50
- Kevin Marks
If they are taking 30 per cent they ought to give them away!
- Stephen Pickering
Will probably start at $399.
- Alex de Soto
Why should they make less money? Bose Factor.
- Aron Michalski
Original will be $299
- Stephen Pickering
Who's keeping the spreadsheet with these predictions?
- coldbrew
more unit for same prices, as with Mac revs
- Jerome Hughes
Lower current version so they can sell till the 2 ships
- Arnie Klaus
unlocked no-contract Androids are sub $100 http://armdevices.net/2011...
- Kevin Marks
John correct answer is $299
- Stephen Pickering
John: that article is 2 years old nobody had been running ssds for any length of time by then, benchmarks by people who've now had the drives for a couple years mostly show similar performance
- Michael Breslin
(i have 8x256gb crucial c300 in raid 0 for a year now)
- Michael Breslin
I'm not sold on SSDs yet, I need more info.
- coldbrew
can't afford either. Rich man's game.
- Aron Michalski
Stephen - $299 sounds reasonable.
- John Taschek
Is there a futures or hedge market here?
- Arnie Klaus
Price comparison by consumers will be between Nook and Xoom. So I'm sticking with $399 starting price. Maybe $299 for iPad 1.
- Alex de Soto
yes.
- Aron Michalski
Need to get the student (classroom) model price established.
- Arnie Klaus
Why people ignore total cost of ownership is beyond me.
- coldbrew
200!
- Michael Breslin
I bought a new imac for the i7 and it doesn't seem to run any better than my 2008 iMac. I think SSD is the most important factor
- Stephen Pickering
TCO has been gamed too much and that's mainly why it is ignored.
- John Taschek
what is the average 4 phone/unit cell phone bill per month?
- Aron Michalski
If Scoble's the future, not sure I want to go there, ha ha
- Andrew Hazlett
Technical discussion of SSD - block write performance - http://bit.ly/gwjxP1
- John Taschek
I would like a verizon LTE mifi to serve as my portable router for Scoble-style array of devices
- Andrew Hazlett
Aren't you able to surf and talk on Verizon if you're on Wifi and 3G at the same time?
- Alex de Soto
pantslessness ftw
- Laura Norvig
Andrew: heh.
- Robert Scoble
I would like for there to be some competition to Comcast so that we all get fiber to our home
- Stephen Pickering
Aron: I pay more for my cell phones than most people pay for a car payment every month.
- Robert Scoble
Is Google *ever* going to announce their 1Gig fiber test site?
- Andrew Hazlett
World domination is all about making products much more affordable. iPad 1 for $299 and iPad 2 for $499 (considering the fact that screen is going to remain the same).
- Nir Ben Yona
it's been announced Andrew. Stanford housing gonna get it first
- greg hines
John: 1 year ago http://goo.gl/RXCGE
- Michael Breslin
It's never over.
- coldbrew
Saw lots of Iphones in revolution clips.
- Arnie Klaus
John: not long ago: http://goo.gl/LxMXm
- Michael Breslin
Monster name = add 30%
- Aron Michalski
and believe me I abuse my drives
- Michael Breslin
Michael - very interesting. Amazing really.
- John Taschek
WIll Apple add free Mobile Me for all iOS devices next week?
- Alex de Soto
new product opportunity - 12v to multi USB car charging hub
- Jerome Hughes
Glad I'm childless.
- Aron Michalski
Monster name - I think the market is 300 percent markup! At least at Best Buy
- John Taschek
Free the MObilME!
- Arnie Klaus
John: wear leveling in the newer controllers pretty much makes for no degrading, at the very least it's so small as to not be noticeable for many years
- Michael Breslin
John; in my biz, they send us guitar cables for free, we cut off the gold connectors and mail them back to the President.
- Aron Michalski
Let's talk about whether Apple will execute a successful Cloud Strategy. Even Gruber says if they don't the iPad will always be a toy
- Stephen Pickering
data center in NC for Mobile Me http://www.businessreviewusa.com/industr...
- Jerome Hughes
everything i read says ipad in the enterprise is on the rise, so I don't see the toy thing holding water
- Michael Breslin
Aron: if ya got a spare or two... :D
- Jerome Hughes
Interested in if Thunderbolt will be usable with Pro Tools, all the blurb is video based.
- Aron Michalski
80 percent of the enterprises have adopted iPad in some way. http://aol.it/equk0v
- John Taschek
Kind of squashes the toy theory
- Michael Breslin
John: That article says 80% of Fortune 100's, or 80 companies
- Richard
immolation exit.
- Aron Michalski
my life became poorer when Steve stopped producing a podcast feed for the show :(
- Jamie
"Podcasting is dead." --Steve Gillmor
- Michael Breslin
here's a not inexpensive iOS app for... http://www.lextechlabs.com/product...
- Jerome Hughes
podcasting is suiting http://tummelvision.tv pretty well; way more listeners to the podcast than live
- Kevin Marks
it bumped our content-rich site up a lot. I'm happy with it.
- Laura Norvig
everybody loves a bargain; besides Apple fan boys.
- Aron Michalski
live streaming is great, but the feed helps as a fallback
- Jamie
Leo has it right.
- Jamie
Kevin: I didn't say I agreed, I was just quoting, podcasting is mainly for time shifting which is why I prefer it over streaming.
- Michael Breslin
Jamie: Leo is right about what?
- Robert Scoble
the point of groupon is not that you will like most of them, but that once or twice a year you will find the awesome deal that you just have to have.
- Laura Norvig
That said if there is content I want to get bad enough I'll make myself available, so here I am!
- Michael Breslin
they're hardly random
- Jerome Hughes
I mean, his setup is the right way. stream the show but get the content out everywhere; podcast, youtube, reruns etc
- Jamie
Just like QVC's daily value
- Kevin Marks
KMart Blue Light Special on demand? But it must work - you can't argue with $890M in revs.
- John Taschek
of course, I ended up unsubbing to groupon email notifications due to the noise ...
- Laura Norvig
:-)
- Jamie
stereo Steves
- Jerome Hughes
caught red handed :)
- beersage
I like the GG setup :)
- coldbrew
podcast is track :)
- Jamie
IF YOU CAN CONNECT TO THE NETWORK.
- Aron Michalski
Laura - I'm sure I'll click on a Groupon ad once in my life.
- John Taschek
Blockbuster went chap 11 months ago
- coldbrew
Oh Yeah Datasift!
- Stephen Pickering
John, I got some great ice cream with it.
- Laura Norvig
The only problem with @mentions is the Spam
- Stephen Pickering
what did twitter release? missed that
- beersage
Steve people listen to podcasts most during driving time, I can't go to youtube while driving.
- Michael Breslin
"Not obscured by clouds."
- Aron Michalski
I can't imagine Scoble could have notifications on
- Stephen Pickering
yea, @mentions brings me in all kinds of oddity because it's very eager of a search
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
60 viewers!!!! the few, the proud, the pantsless.
- Laura Norvig
Laura N: Its snowing here, so we all wear pants.
- coldbrew
Earthlink
- Jamie
Yeah I wanted to make that case the other day and forgot: Robert: STOP HATING ON NORMAL PEOPLE WE NEED THEM TO CLICK THE ADS SO WE GET EVERYTHING FOR FREE!
- Michael Breslin
I got ipad spam when I mentioned Twitter & FB in a tweet. <_<
- beersage
Michael: good point! But they aren't watching here so won't get pissed.
- Robert Scoble
TIME SHIFTING
- Michael Breslin
That's why you jailbreak, so you can make your own hosts file.
- coldbrew
This is a Realtime Conversational Frontier.
- Arnie Klaus
streaming = if you're not connected to the network you're fucked
- Michael Breslin
chat is too funny
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Some of us don't have 24/7 connection to the network; that's the reality.
- Aron Michalski
an embedded player isn't a podcast?
- Andrew Hazlett
Use a carrier pigeon :)
- coldbrew
brick & mortar that bought the Groupon backer duo's dotcom (where was then) in '00 declared Chapter 11 in '01
- Jerome Hughes
youtube2mp3
- Michael Breslin
I am a normal person.
- Kathleen Hassinger
Andrew, no, not in my book.
- Laura Norvig
If you never leave the house or a major urban area (or leave the country) I guess you're cool.
- Aron Michalski
just coincidence that sri can be shuffled into rsi
- Michael Breslin
Englebart
- Jerome Hughes
Earnings looked good anyway.
- coldbrew
Jerome: I got into Englebart's office.
- Robert Scoble
surprised Apple released Lion/MBPs this week. An event for an iPad speed bump is going to be a little dry.
- Jamie
I'm missing Englebart and Ted Nelson at PDA today :(
- Kevin Marks
nice... that's a great video with him by Cringely
- Jerome Hughes
But my favorite is meeting the team that studies failure of materials (like plane skins, bulletproof glass, etc).
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Englebart is my hero. The dude is so smart. But he's getting slow lately. Isn't he 83 now?
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: gotta read Ted Nelson
- Jerome Hughes
Laura N, if podcasting is only rss served stuff via iTunes, then I don't see much of a future in it, but making audio and/or video content available in lots of places, including iTunes, that's a different matter entirely
- Andrew Hazlett
Who is Englebart? I know I know Scoble will say, "There's this thing called Google..." heheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
invented mouse
- Jerome Hughes
thats why RSS is dead
- Jamie
I count on my friends who are 3 days behind.
- Aron Michalski
ah, why does this sidebar scroll so far down past the video
- beersage
the mouse is dead
- Rob La Gesse
in other words if you miss it when scoble is the first to tweet it, you'll get it later when everyone else catches up
- Michael Breslin
Englebart invented the gui and the mouse in 1968
- Kevin Marks
Englebart Humperdink
- Stephen Pickering
or even earlier but didn't tell anyone http://www.archive.org/details...
- Jerome Hughes
jeez, Scobles stream comes in quick.
- Jamie
Rob: but is pointing, or not using only the command line
- Jerome Hughes
Englebart was at Interval Research when I worked there (I was a lowly temp, but still got to meet him).
- Laura Norvig
Track was infinitely more interesting, totally random sometimes.
- Aron Michalski
The signal : noise on twitter was much greater then.
- coldbrew
Anyone read Dealers of Lightning? - About the beginnings of Xerox.
- John Taschek
Looking for patterns in the noise.
- Arnie Klaus
watch the noise and when I see something brilliant it stands out -- Robert
- Jerome Hughes
Patterns in the noise is a key issue.
- John Taschek
Francine gets on the Gang in the weirdest ways
- Jerome Hughes
I look for noise in the patterns.
- Rob La Gesse
Ted streaming?
- Arnie Klaus
How much does it cost to watch TED on TV?
- Andrew Hazlett
lots, Andrew
- Kevin Marks
his concept for watching the weight of posts on FF was brilliant; too bad everyone ran away.
- Aron Michalski
I'm "Wiretapping" this episode of GG. I can put it on my server for listening or download unless Steve or TC minds
- Stephen Pickering
Andrew: I think it's about $1,500 for 10 people.
- Robert Scoble
robert what client is that that gives you a stream of tweets in its own seemingly borderless window
- Michael Breslin
that's Twitter for Mac
- Jamie
formerly Tweetie
- Jamie
cool thanks
- Michael Breslin
Stephen, you got last week's ep?
- beersage
TED Webcast costs $500
- Rob La Gesse
Rob is right.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin knows what normal is.
- Aron Michalski
Michael: that's Twitter's own Mac app, available in the Mac app store.
- Robert Scoble
i'd rather be served ads than pay
- beersage
beersage, nope I didn't think of it until today
- Stephen Pickering
and wait till April.
- Aron Michalski
Social Network by a mile
- Stephen Pickering
I'd rather see no ads and pay a few bucks :)
- coldbrew
Inception
- Kevin Marks
I was a little disappointed by Social Network. watched it last week. good but thought it would be better given the hype.
- Jamie
Toy Story 3 is in the running, yes
- Rob La Gesse
This is my TV
- Arnie Klaus
Definitely The King's Speech.
- Nir Ben Yona
And Justin Bieber too.
- Aron Michalski
here's a list, Steve... http://twitter.com/jromeh...
- Jerome Hughes
I used to watch tv in the 90s...those were the days.
- coldbrew
I just watch the ads
- Arnie Klaus
Great movie but not relevant to today as Social Network is
- Stephen Pickering
True Grit
- Aron Michalski
Should vs. will is always the big distinction in Oscar picks
- Andrew Hazlett
Klaus: :)
- coldbrew
slightly disappointed in Toy Story 3
- greg hines
shouldn't be it was excellent
- Michael Breslin
Marks: I can IM it to you if you want :)
- coldbrew
Tell mike we love him
- Arnie Klaus
IM me what? True Grit?
- Kevin Marks
Hey with Thunderbolt he could IM you True Grit!
- Stephen Pickering
Award pause.
- Aron Michalski
Yes, sorry.
- coldbrew
Or whatever its called :)
- Stephen Pickering
The sound on one Ipad clapping.
- Arnie Klaus
award pause on Oscars...
- Jerome Hughes
cheers
- Andrew Hazlett
til next time folks.
- Jamie
Nice find.
- John Taschek
I made a copy of today's episode that you can listen or right click and download audio only here: http://friendfeed.com/stephen...
- Stephen Pickering