GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT

here - Keith Teare

here too - Kevin Marks

Topic for today's GG: Sup http://techcrunch.com/2014.... App half-life now measured in weeks. - Tom Guarriello

OMG I'm available to attend a recording! - Matthew Voshell

...and go in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 - Murray Macdonald

Here is where the new FB messenger App is headed...http://techcrunch.com/2014... - Tony Stanislawski

Here. - Robert Scoble

im going to watch through the roku ustream private channel i wonder how far delayed ill be - Matthew Voshell

We are gonna talk about two-app strategy for sure. - Robert Scoble

That one above is for you Robert! - Tony Stanislawski

@Robert did you see that tweet i sent to most for the Frontline piece that recently aired? - Matthew Voshell

BTW My little experiment last week, I mentioned all of you in a tweet, only Keith responded. I know that I could have got Scobles attention on FB. Steve G and Kevin not so sure how I would - Tony Stanislawski

I saw it, but as keith had responded i thought I'd be redundant - Kevin Marks

The world is coming to an end. I might as well watch The Gillmor Gang live - Francine Hardaway

Excellent plan, Francine - Tom Guarriello

Got it Kevin - Tony Stanislawski

Tony, do you mean this one? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh... - Rob Underwood

I was thinking of Robert S too when I watched the original - Rob Underwood

No I have not seen that...another thing to watch! - Tony Stanislawski

Matthew, nope. - Robert Scoble

What's up Steve! - Chris Hale

ppl are turnig off push notications (in some categories) http://andrewchen.co/2014... - clive boulton

I will not install fb chat. Don't want it. Same with 4square. - Murray Macdonald

Wow. Robert jumped right in - Chris Hale

Per a story that relates to last weeks show, and what the gang is trying to understand; http://www.pbs.org/wgbh... - Matthew Voshell

Path like 4sq has 2 app strategy - clive boulton

I agree -- the FourSquare/Swarm split feels different than the messenger/FB "split" - Rob Underwood

I love the new FourSquare app, and Messenger is quite useful. I dig that too. Both are very useful. And, the new Messenger features are super sweet! You guys should check it out. - Jason Nunnelley

Can we make the Dock disappear on Robert's screen? - Tom Guarriello

trying - Tina Chase Gillmor

These apps will have to provide value to users. They seem like distractions more than value. I communicate with my friends through other channels (text, voice, email, beer) - Murray Macdonald

I always view myself as the quintessential user, and I will now never use Foursquare and give tips. I used to do it when checking in. - Francine Hardaway

I have too many other ways to find out where to eat - Francine Hardaway

Question, can you be friends in messenger and not on FB yet? - Tony Stanislawski

But I do like and use Messenger - Francine Hardaway

Tony yes - Francine Hardaway

Yelp is my go-to app for food. I don't want people to know where I am eating. - Murray Macdonald

Agree with Robert on separating of FB apps. I think this could be an attempt to improve reputation for individual components of FB - Chris Hale

@Tony, yes, depending on your privacy settings you can control who can message you; either public, friends of friends, firends, or ony me - Matthew Voshell

Max Schrems suite was stirred by a talk from a Facebook privacy lawyer. “The message was, ‘Europeans are cute with their privacy laws... - clive boulton

My sister (reasonably technical) just made the mistake of having a private conversation on a relative's public Facebook feed. I explained the 2-app split and she's on board now. ;-) - Ian McGee

Messenger and the FB strategy are not the same as 4Square and Swarm - Francine Hardaway

whatever happened to the big "skype" integration into facebook chat? seems like they've kinda forgotten about that? - Matthew Voshell

I think instant messaging in general is a ungodly steaming hot mess - Chris Hale

My wife told me she uninstalled Messenger because of the permission requirements, to which I responded "how are you going to talk to your daughter when she's in Japan?" When in Osaka, my kid only talked to us on Messenger, because it's mobile, desktop, etc. Warren Whitlock called me on the voice calling feature built into Messenger, before I even knew it was there. Cool as hell! - Jason Nunnelley

On iOS, the lock screen notifications arent written correctly, i get a single new notification per message... its awful, they need to allow it to do a "count" of messages from the same persons - Matthew Voshell

My parents and many of my 50+ year old friends are not on facebook. Neither are my kids. - Murray Macdonald

Matthew: we can argue about that. I really like the single notifications per message coming in. - Robert Scoble

Yeah, but I see the utility of FB Messenter immediately, but my perception of FOursquare and Swarm is silly - Francine Hardaway

Swarm is getting better and better! - Tony Stanislawski

I still can't figure out the Swarm "nearby plans" -- it would seem weird to just show up in person at someone's plan (e.g., dinner), even if they are friends. - Rob Underwood

I think what they did is underestimate the gamification of it, which everyone loved and they are bringing those back! - Tony Stanislawski

Robert was talking on his fb this week about everyone who is up in arms over the permission stuff. Its just people pontificating about privacy because they have nothing better to get inflamed about. In a contextual age the notion of privacy is a radically different thing than the traditional notion of what privacy is - Chris Hale

Foursquare made a lot of mistakes. - Francine Hardaway

Good work, Tina! - Tom Guarriello

@Robert re: FB messenger chat notification; if i get 10 messages now my entire screen is full and i cant see any of the other messages (unless i scroll) i think having a count like imessage nativly does its much better to scale - Matthew Voshell

LOL Kevin I know who to message now! - Tony Stanislawski

Matthew: I do wish you had a choice. I see value in how you want to use notifications too. - Robert Scoble

Did facebook ever try to buy four square? isnt this a feature they portray in "silicon valley" when hooloui reverse engineerings the same feature as pied piper; facebook just did that wither thier "check-ins" and foursquare is dead just like that - Matthew Voshell

It all comes down to value. Can they generate more value for their users, and in some way extract that value in a form that positively affects the balance sheet? If that answer is yes, do it. - Josh Bradshaw

By leaving a tip are you not really checking in, just not in the present! - Tony Stanislawski

Bingo Kevin! - Tony Stanislawski

Hey @Robert. I had an interesting thought. Maybe these companies are splitting there apps because of a User experience crisis on mobile. Just like a webpage with too much content on it, maybe they are trying to keep there apps focused and uncluttered so people don't feel overwhelmed by an apps complexity - Chris Hale

When I use it I use it in combo with Google and 4sq - Tony Stanislawski

Really easier to type "coffee shop near me" into Google - Francine Hardaway

Worth noting Yelp has/had check-in ... just no one used it that I can tell. - Rob Underwood

As an app developer, I can appreciate how hard it can be to organize all the functions of an app when an app tries to include the "kitchen sink" in there app - Chris Hale

Don't resist FB Messenger, folks. It's worth it. I use it to talk to my friends in London. - Francine Hardaway

oye,,, a few technical weirdnesses today. its always something :-) - Tina Chase Gillmor

yelp reviews are like amazon reviews, take them with a grain of salt; biz owners check thier yelp and want it to look good; there's been stories latly of owners bullying peopel to leave good reviews or chraging for bad ones http://mashable.com/2014... - Matthew Voshell

I have had experiences like the one @Robert described. I think this is a drastically undersold feature of FB. It really has helped me meet up with friends in other towns - Chris Hale

Many Yelp reviews are years old (pre apps era) - clive boulton

FB Messenger is quite useful. especial for a small group chat - Tina Chase Gillmor

I use Google Now all the time. Its contextual awareness is great. - Murray Macdonald

There is only so many Messaging Silo's to invest time in. - Moe Glitz

Listening to @Robert all I can think of now is Peter Brady and "Time to Change" - https://www.youtube.com/watch... - Rob Underwood

Change is not hard it is fun! What would life be like without change! - Tony Stanislawski

group chat is key. twitter is dropping the ball there - Kevin Marks

Queue steve and his notification love fest - Matthew Voshell

WhatsApp is the most popular one that friends and family use for Group Chats - Moe Glitz

To me, i think a lot of these chat silos will be broken down in IOS 8 once apps can talk to each other. - Chris Hale

How did Facebook Messenger take over what AIM used to own? Why did people switch? - Matthew Voshell

We are using Slack a ton across our development team at Relay now. - Rob Underwood

yes, Slack is excellent - Keith Adler

We love it. - Rob Underwood

Slack rocks. - Robert Scoble

In about two weeks we've moved 80% of our internal communication to Slack .. and it integrates with stuff like Github and JIRA, etc. - Rob Underwood

I have a plane going over sorry - Kevin Marks

yes it integrates with ALL the things - Kevin Marks

Who will acquire Slack. Apple, Facebook, Google or Microsoft - Moe Glitz

Twitter SHOULD - Keith Adler

@Moe -- good question. Maybe LinkedIn? - Rob Underwood

I hope none of them - Kevin Marks

Apple or MSFT would bugger it up - Kevin Marks

good point - Keith Adler

Facebook is too off message - Kevin Marks

maybe google, but they'd have channel conflict with plus/hangouts - Kevin Marks

Yahoo is desperate enough. - Murray Macdonald

It's great for our team because it gave a separate notifications stream that would get everyone's attention - Keith Adler

I love learning about new tools from you guys. *runs off to check out Slack* - Laura Norvig

Rob: slack does git, ok, now i'll check out the app - clive boulton

Stewart would not sell to Yahoo again - Kevin Marks

hmm. slack sounds interesting - Chris Hale

Any App that solves problems will always be in the line of fire for the usual suspects - Moe Glitz

Remember when Whisper was the buzz? They come, they go... - Murray Macdonald

The searchable database, shared group environment is what's great - Keith Adler

@kevin: any indie concept of app-to-app notifications (yeah on the phone)? - clive boulton

It has put our work messaging in it's own separate channel (important when all the employees are overloaded) - Keith Adler

i used to work for the company that managed the backend for whisper - Chris Hale

webmentions are the indie concept, but not very app-focused - Kevin Marks

Ugh. I only didn't remove Yo because I forgot about it - Francine Hardaway

webmentions - thx - clive boulton

Yo is too small to go to the effort of deleting if it doesn't bug us too much... - Ian McGee

There is easily a Top 20 of major Messaging Apps. It's hard to get into the Top 5 and stay there - Moe Glitz

I'm starting to turn off notifications on some apps because I'm being driven nuts by notifications - Francine Hardaway

Yo was awesome for the World Cup...just got a Yo every time a goal was scored. - Tony Stanislawski

I turn of/deny notification on all apps except the social networking apps - Adnan

Yo shows why brogrammers are a stain on silicon valley - Matthew Voshell

what the bejesus is a brogrammer? - Chris Hale

Yo is brogrammers trying to be phatic and just shouting - Kevin Marks

brogrammer is programmer who acts like a frat boy - Kevin Marks

iOS 8 could be the American Bandstand of Messaging Apps - Moe Glitz

The device IS the app! Long term, Apple will be the best and most reliable contextual API provider. The hardware is a vehicle for the software. - Richard Hendrix

I blame Aaron Sorkin - Kevin Marks

i'd liken them to Ogar from Revenger of the nerds... that knows javascript - Matthew Voshell

apple is not a great cloud api provider - Kevin Marks

I turn noisy app notifications off / also noisy folks off - clive boulton

@Kevin... lol Aaron had nothing to do with this! - Matthew Voshell

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH @Kevin - Chris Hale

he reified the dickish programmer - Kevin Marks

The API isn't in the cloud - it's on the device and just transmitted through the cloud if need be - Richard Hendrix

Kevin So you are saying Mark Zuckerburg is a dickish programmer? - Matthew Voshell

I was going to ask Robert if he still had Yo on the phone. - JayVig

here's the argument: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2010... - Kevin Marks

I will install it if it guarantees Arsenal will win another trophy this year, Keith! - Tom Guarriello

to some extent - Kate Losse's Boy Kings describes it more clearly - Kevin Marks

Man City are the champions i believe, ahem - Matthew Voshell

but Sorkin created a dickish programmer archetype (possibly intending to be dismissive) but it became a hero role model - Kevin Marks

There should be an intercourse Messaging App. Yes Yes Yes! That would be huge Global Big Data - Moe Glitz

hierarchy of noise: yogrammer > brogrammer > programmer - clive boulton

I was looking for this earlier but all the Slick fans... Hipchat is very similar.. a little nicer actaully.. https://www.hipchat.com/ - Matthew Voshell

that's like google's "pay per emotion" patent - Kevin Marks

Slack's integration wins - Kevin Marks

What's that patent, Kevin? - Tom Guarriello

@Kevin.. yea price might too; but idk here are hipchat integrations http://help.hipchat.com/knowled... - Matthew Voshell

this one tom: http://mashable.com/2013... - Kevin Marks

Thanks, Kevin. - Tom Guarriello

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!! - Chris Hale

googs new user tracking bridges mobile apps and web http://blogs.wsj.com/digits... - clive boulton

Once again folks the book is called "age of context" get it on amazon now http://www.amazon.com/Age-Con... - Matthew Voshell

So emotion sensing watches will start driving recommendations to restaurants where people are happy? - Murray Macdonald

http://mashable.com/2014... - Tony Stanislawski

The people who hate the change are most vocal - Tony Stanislawski

I did a focus group on the Nespresso machine - Tina Chase Gillmor

Vessyl an early (and ridiculous) example of something that's definitely going to become pervasive. - Tom Guarriello

makeup sex heartrate? - Murray Macdonald

Vessle is awesome cuase it tells you everything thats on the side of the can.. colbert did a nice job with it http://www.theverge.com/2014... - Matthew Voshell

Murray: chocolate for Maryam. :-) - Robert Scoble

so all those home automation protocols that apple and google are working are going to be a big key to this contextual future. - Chris Hale

Nespresso machines are yummy -- but now sounding like "The Circle" - Rob Underwood

I like having a real espresso machine. - Kevin Marks

it's a balance of trade -- are people going to be willing to continue to give up privacy for the convenience and serendipity of discovery? - Rob Underwood

Kevin: sometimes I like a 3-star restaurant. Other times McDonalds. :-) - Robert Scoble

BLE sensors have standardized discovery. - Murray Macdonald

@Rob for music? Movies? Sure... for my home... ehhh :/ - Matthew Voshell

scary future... - Adnan

Yep! That's what I'm saying. Apple becomes the arbiter of the sensors, in effect turning the bundle of sensors into a contextual API that Apple provides. The device is just a part of the programming. - Richard Hendrix

Taxi Trails App in Stockholm tracks the travels of all their taxis via GPS to discover Stockholm Hot Spots - Moe Glitz

BLE does but Proximity UUID's do not - Keith Teare

why not push a webmentions notification at an app for scalability of permissions - clive boulton

They are trying to stop tracking the UIDs of their devices, not the sensors. - Murray Macdonald

What apple is doing with beacons is criminal. It's like doing away with DNS so that your computer could only talk to hosts through applications that embed specific IP addresses. The web would have never been born. I put some real effort into a DNS for beacons and I'm now I'm glad I didn't spend more time on it. - Todd Hoff

And Apple is banning BLE to Proximity UUID discovery - Keith Teare

I already did - Francine Hardaway

How exactly are they banning that Keith? - Murray Macdonald

See the thing that scares me about apples approach is that all the data flows directly to apple. I think its important for some of these sensors and things that will talk to each other to be localized to the app in question not to platform itself - Chris Hale

Apple is very good about explaining how they never "touch" your data.... google kind of skirts around it - Matthew Voshell

Android BLE provides a better beacon API. I can detect and respond to beacons without needing to know about them in advance. Apple requires you to pre-register your beacons for the app to respond. - Murray Macdonald

You can set whatever Major and Minor values you want on most BLE beacons. - Murray Macdonald

Can you become a beacon yet on android Murray? - Todd Hoff

Context should not be app specific. Location context is environmental, not app specific. - Murray Macdonald

Murray - yes, all accurate - Keith Teare

Are you asking if an Android phone can transmit as a beacon? - Murray Macdonald

Murray it can not, yet. - Robert Scoble

Apple won't approve apps that try to discover beacons the app doesn't already know about - Keith Teare

Robert: Cannot what? Transmit as a beacon? - Murray Macdonald

Apple will make the browser ? - chris dowling

That's not true. A proper beacon browser would allow you to whitelist desired beacons. There's no reason you need to be spammed. That would just be a bad beacon browser. A good one would let you scan an environment and add the ones you like to your whitelist. - Murray Macdonald

Anybody should be able to make the browser. - Keith Teare

Hearing Apple scaling its Cassandra team ahead of something big - clive boulton

zeroconf, not zigbee - Kevin Marks

Here's a use case: I'm walking down a sidewalk and I want to get information on restaurants on my path. You want to get coupons, specials, menus etc from your local context. Using a general system I could get the id, look it up, apply filters, merge with social streams, figure out the interaction pattern, and present the UI to the user. This can't happen with an iphone. - Todd Hoff

So cute. There's a little Keith in the room - Tina Chase Gillmor

coupons meh - Kevin Marks

Sorry Kevin, yes, zeroconf - Keith Teare

A good beacon browser app would let you enable/disable types of beacons. Coupons, restaurants, etc... Users would turn on and off they things they are interested in. The browser wouldn't spam your notifications, it would present them when you asked, unless you had previously whitelisted them. - Murray Macdonald

saving money bothers you? - Todd Hoff

They don't have the majority of costco customers, just app purchasers. - Murray Macdonald

Murray: Android can not transmit as a beacon. - Robert Scoble

Maybe there will be a "discoverability" ON/OFF setting like in Bluetooth. - Alex de Soto

password heist? - Laura Norvig

It wasn't this stuff about beacons - Francine Hardaway

Robert: Agreed, but it will soon. Also I see little need as phones are already discoverable. Apple can act as an iBeacon, but what is the use? It could be useful in the future when finding friends, etc... but those apps aren't popular as most of that is done through GPS and the cloud, not BLE. - Murray Macdonald

Sprints attempted buyout of Tmobile finally got extinguished this week - Chris Hale

"Netflix subscriber revenue surpasses HBO." - Alex de Soto

And Sprint got a new CEO this week. That is also interesting new IMHO - Chris Hale

I've got to run to a 2:30 meeting. Thanks everyone! Great show. - Murray Macdonald

FCC tells phone carriers to tell users why throttling - Laura Norvig

literally dying I emant - Kevin Marks

I cannot watch World news on any channel. Regurgitation of what was on the internet 2 hours or 2 days ago! - Tony Stanislawski

HBO Vice is pretty interesting. - Alex de Soto

Oliver is a half-hour weekly Daily Show. Big success for HBO and loss for Comedy Central. - Tom Guarriello

Feeling Apple Watch focused more on personal health: sensors / notifications / analytics - clive boulton

Who is getting the new Apple iPhone? - Alex de Soto

presentate - Kevin Marks

many ppl want the larger iphone - clive boulton

What I do not get Robert is what is the key difference between these people who spend so much time worrying about this rather than using it. Your thread on FB would be an interesting dissertation..... - Tony Stanislawski

this is too small - Kevin Marks

*waves to Todd Hoff* - Laura Norvig

Special mention: Danny Sullivan's Twitter coverage of the hurricanes in Hawaii. - Alex de Soto

Good show! Time for some wine! Vivino show me the way! :) - Tony Stanislawski

When is your next show, Tina? - Laura Norvig

What's that football app again, Keith? - Tom Guarriello

Tony: we all talk about it because it's interesting and we all are gonna use it. - Robert Scoble

Now for some G3 - clive boulton

In case I don't see ya, Good afternoon, good evening and goodnight! - Chris Hale

I want the larger phone - Francine Hardaway

Nice one! - Asif Rahman

Good show. 'night all - Ian McGee

thanks! - Richard Hendrix

Francine the larger phone spurs a smaller watch? - clive boulton

Ah, One Football...got it. - Tom Guarriello

Thanks everyone! - Robert Scoble

Oh hey, I found the "chat room". Another great show, thanks :) - Brian Gaudenti

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