GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT

Hi Res Test Card :-) - Ian Waring

Yo! - Ian Waring

hello - Kevin Marks

if you can really see the zone plates something is going on - Kevin Marks

Hey @Kevin, do you have a link to the Wired article you referenced from last weeks show? I couldn't find anything resembling the mention on the Wired site... - J.C. Bouvier

what was I talking about - Kevin Marks

UK Cat present - Ian Waring

wired article about what, JC - Kevin Marks

Sorry - England Cat present - Ian Waring

Tina: Pool boy in the house? - Alex de Soto

some other tech news. Samsung bought smarthings - Chris Hale

anything else? - Kevin Marks

I just watched the White Queen.. and it was interesting to see the UK appear to develop at the very end.. where Henry IV who brought the band together. - mary hodder

so now you can start Hollow Crown? - Kevin Marks

also, its kinda interesting Motorola is scheduling a product launch almost at the time Apple is supposed to announce iphone 6 / iwatch announcement - Chris Hale

@Kevin, yah, that's the question! Steve referred to a 'multi-retweeted Wired article' and you said something like 'oh yah, the sever...I really enjoyed that...' and then you both trailed off...in the context of the messaging app splitting convo...not that big a deal, but sounded interesting and thought I would ask is all...no worries. - J.C. Bouvier

FU, Keith!!! - Tom Guarriello

That's right!! - Tom Guarriello

forgetta bout it! - Chris Hale

ah, this one about Stewart and Slack http://www.wired.com/2014... - Kevin Marks

there might be another chat. Can someone find it and redirect here please - Tina Chase Gillmor

Tx Kevin! - J.C. Bouvier

Good article on trolls by Farhad Manjoo in the NEW YORK Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2014... - Alex de Soto

Anonymity makes the veneer of civility even harder to maintain online than it is off. - Tom Guarriello

:-) - Keith Teare

So @Robert. Do you think this move by samsung will spark more large companies to try and buyout these smaller home automation companies? - Chris Hale

What about Andreessen investing in Buzzfeed. Media is becoming like Software regarding upscaling and low marginal costs .... Ben Thompson wrote some nice piece here: http://stratechery.com/2014... - Frank Drews

Or abuse by every low energy bluetooth beacon you pass... - Ian Waring

Chris: the great purchases are disappearing fast. - Robert Scoble

here's jezebel http://jezebel.com/we-have... - Kevin Marks

fascinating that Twitter ignored Del on block http://www.forbes.com/sites... - Kevin Marks

Hehe. I ask because that was one of the points i made last you and I got to sit down and talk. I predicted a land grab for these types of companies. Its interesting to watch it come true - Chris Hale

Jezebel’s staff: “It’s like playing Whac-a-Mole with a sociopathic Hydra,” - Alex de Soto

"Not listening to Harvey tends to be a bad idea. Last December Twitter decided to eliminate users’ ability to “block” people they didn’t like from following and retweeting their accounts, replacing it with a mute option so they simply wouldn’t see the trolls in their feed. Harvey warned it was a terrible idea and would make cyberbullying easier. The blocking feature was pulled anyway, and the ensuing outcry was such that Twitter reversed the decision within 12 hours. It later tacked on the mute button as an option." - Kevin Marks

Same at Demon Keith - Ian Waring

Zeynep's article https://medium.com/message... - Kevin Marks

ACPO visits - Ian Waring

abandon ship - Tina Chase Gillmor

So, everyones headed to 4chan? - Ian Waring

lowest common denominator - Ian Waring

Twitter needs a "Parody Account" badge too - Ian Waring

OPEN - Tina Chase Gillmor

Instead of starring (favoriting) a tweet, we should have a dislike function. - Alex de Soto

like Jeff Jarvis arguing with his parody? - Kevin Marks

exactly - Ian Waring

there is a "block or report" button - Kevin Marks

though the "report" is a bit crap - Kevin Marks

Kevin: Don't really want to block or report everything that sucks. - Alex de Soto

You think every person online should do that? - Francine Hardaway

My FB comments are not a cesspool - Francine Hardaway

Facebook has 50,000 one-star ratings (95%) on its messenger app-spit. https://plus.google.com/1169918... - clive boulton

People fear authority. Full stop. - Tom Guarriello

+10 Robert - Tom Guarriello

Complex stuff - Frank Paynter

I'm a mother, therefore I believe in consequences. That's how you teach children - Francine Hardaway

And some of these trolls are only large children - Francine Hardaway

Logical consequences makes civility possible - Tom Guarriello

see j.mp/twittertheory for how twitter used to work - Kevin Marks

Yep, agree consequences are important. But not important enough to make me want to ban anonymity - Keith Teare

it will be at ustream.tv/G3 - Tina Chase Gillmor

was wondering where everybody went - Ankush Narula

Yeah G3! - christina sponselli

thanks Christina - Tina Chase Gillmor

Here is a good example of an anon article.. which I think really shows one of the best version of anon communication: http://www.forbes.com/sites... - mary hodder

Ankush - I think I may have published the wrong link somehow. glad you found this chat - Tina Chase Gillmor

Interesting info on Robin Williams found by Cory Doctorow today: insisted that all productions he was involved in hired homeless people http://mostlysignssomeportents... - Ben Werdmuller

thanks Tina :-) - Ankush Narula

Thanks Christina - mary hodder

Well said, Steve - Tom Guarriello

Huge emotional impact because he gave so much to us - Francine Hardaway

+1000 Steve - I don't think anyone thought he would go that way... - J.C. Bouvier

he was our doctor, of sorts - Tina Chase Gillmor

vulnerability - Tina Chase Gillmor

she had it. robin had it - Tina Chase Gillmor

His enormous humanity...the scope of his spirit...was distinctive - Tom Guarriello

he jumped through time. he was a time travler - Tina Chase Gillmor

I Want To Live : Robin Williams’ death helped me understand something. https://medium.com/the-nib... - clive boulton

is it just me or is there a hitch in the stream? - Frank Paynter

melding culture connecting us all - Tina Chase Gillmor

The stream is likely sharded (will sort itself out) - clive boulton

Being in Robin Williams' presence was electric. I stood in a group of four people with him at TED one day and the experience was unforgettable. - Tom Guarriello

Clive: a million people protested the news feed. Users often protest change. - Robert Scoble

Tom: I'm so jealous. - Robert Scoble

This Keith guy is pretty smart... - Frank Paynter

I listened again to his Actors Studio interview on Bravo. Woman there was hospitalised from laughing too much. Also replayed "Who's line is it anyway" with him in it. Genius. - Ian Waring

Ferguson and Gaza? they connect when the guys in Gaza give advice to the guys in Ferguson about how to deal with tear gas. - mary hodder

I am sad that WIlliams, George Carlin and Richard Pryor are all gone. I will miss them all. - Alex de Soto

I heard all that on The Sixties. And I'm reading Graham Nash's autobiography. - Francine Hardaway

Mary: great point! - Robert Scoble

Robert, it was one of the most amazing 10 minutes of my life - Tom Guarriello

Alex: agreed. - Robert Scoble

Eddie Izzard tribute to RW: http://beta.bbc.com/news... - Ankush Narula

Mary Hodder that would be funny if it weren't so terrible - Francine Hardaway

+1 Steve's comment. Militarization of domestic police forces. - christina sponselli

Tom: I bet. I've had a few of those kinds of experiences, including being on the floor at TED shooting Bill Gates while he talked with people about nuclear energy. - Robert Scoble

here: https://twitter.com/OccupyO... - Kevin Marks

It's the forty-fifth annvsy of that upstate NY rock concert today. - Frank Paynter

John Cleese doing Eulogy to Graham Chapman was brilliant too - Ian Waring

Francine - Steve reading that one too. He read Neil Young's just prior. Steve's like "boy, these guys saw the same situation so differently" - Tina Chase Gillmor

Robert: yes. good point. I changed enterprise apps. Almost a mutiny. - clive boulton

Robert: Thorium is the future indeed - Ankush Narula

Robert, were you at TED the year he took over the stage when BBC had technical difficulties during an interview? Incredible. - Tom Guarriello

Robin travelled through time and took us with him on a ride - Tina Chase Gillmor

BBC video - 3 mins - https://www.youtube.com/watch... - Ian Waring

What was the name of that comedy club on Clement near 9th Ave? - Frank Paynter

it could have been a medicine shift too - Tina Chase Gillmor

Right. He was struggling with many things. - Francine Hardaway

shifting meds can be deadly - Tina Chase Gillmor

Tina, I also read Neil Young's. - Francine Hardaway

I know a lot of comedians... they are not necessarily happy people - Tina Chase Gillmor

Does it matter how/why really? He's gone. It's awful and sad. - Ankush Narula

Cracked.com is the site - Francine Hardaway

Would somebody google that for me? - Frank Paynter

I'm not on Xanax - I'm on Klonopin - Ankush Narula

I'm on sucrose. - Frank Paynter

Psychotropic meds are no picnic - Tom Guarriello

I'm on Lexapro. Have been for 20 years. Manages my anxiety and depression quite well - Francine Hardaway

Im on a drug called awesome. - Chris Hale

+1 +1 "Comedians not necessarily happy people" - clive boulton

That's so good to hear, Francine - Tom Guarriello

and not to mention that mental health help is very difficult to get.... good help... and the help isn't always helpful - Tina Chase Gillmor

Robert, I am interested in hearing about your thoughts about depression in Enterpreneur types. - Chris Hale

Chris - I need some of that awesome - Ankush Narula

In the not too distant future, people will look at our era's treatment of mental illness the way we view leeches, trepanning, etc. - Andrew Hazlett

Tina: not to mention, it isn't free. Insurance often doesn't cover therapy. - Robert Scoble

It was the Holy City Zoo. Thanks everybody. - Frank Paynter

depression is when you can't feel anything.. you're black inside.. and you can't see any future.. it doesn't exist. - mary hodder

it doesn't even sound as bad as it is.. - mary hodder

mind what you EAT. this has a MAJOR effect in what you ARE. - flyinthesoup

I think it's a wind up - Daniel W. Crompton

My health plan (effectively): Mental health call this 800# - clive boulton

Let's all turn off the screens/phones for one weekday per week - I'm almost positive it will improve overall mental health - Ankush Narula

Entrepreneurs are are similar to comedians and public figures in a some ways. Sometimes that dark side is a thing that drives people forward - Chris Hale

The first part of my career, 20+ years, was spent working as a clinical psychologist. The mental health system in the US is shameful. - Tom Guarriello

We'll get to Yo! 1.1 and Slack... - Ian Waring

Corporate culture trumps strategy and intelligence. It's really amazing. - Tom Guarriello

There is enough experience in this room to discuss depression and it's very real effects upon daily life. As opposed to the heartless comments that are flying around from self proclaimed "Normal" people. - Aron Michalski

@tom what part is shameful that you are referring to? - Chris Hale

Microsoft needs to forget hardware altogether. - Alex de Soto

I am not disagreeing , just curious - Chris Hale

MSR has so many good engineers blocked - clive boulton

Chris, the failure to recognize mental health needs as equal to any other health needs, for a start. - Tom Guarriello

I completely agree Tom. - Chris Hale

TOm agreed - Tina Chase Gillmor

Can we get back to trepanning? - Frank Paynter

Getting paid for forty, work forty - Frank Paynter

you might also make your mark and go off and get funding to start something awesome - Ankush Narula

I think everybody recognizes mental health needs, but they don't want to admit they have them themselves - Francine Hardaway

I have been exceptionally intellectually curious about behavioral patterns in entrepreneurs. I am an entrepreneur and I want to see some of the patterns that can be derived from other entreprenuers. - Chris Hale

Everyone would like to people to think they are just fine. - Francine Hardaway

Insider. To get one feature added to SQL Server typically requires moving the dial by $200 million. - clive boulton

"I'm just fine" NOT - Tina Chase Gillmor

There's a lot of research about entrepreneurs: they have poor concentration, ADD, are prone to anxiety and depression, and have high risk tolerance - Francine Hardaway

I've learned to recognize, Tina, when I am just fine and when I am not. And when I am not, I go to friends, yoga, meditation, and -- interesting enough -- Facebook. - Francine Hardaway

gets back to what Nadella thinks is MS's future core competence - which is still confused - Ian Waring

my previous health insurance didn't cover ANY mental health issues. My new one does and it just required a doubling of the premium. - Aron Michalski

That's part of the "shamefulness" I was referring to, Aron. - Tom Guarriello

Some of this platform talk is a little meta-meta... - Frank Paynter

Is it too late to say Robin Williams really touched me when I was a kid? - Ankush Narula

doldrums - Tina Chase Gillmor

Network is the system... (copyright DEC 1977) - Ian Waring

(he would have laughed) - Ankush Narula

if you're building a networked refrigerator inventory product, then all the consumer platforms are just a late phase in the dev cycle - Frank Paynter

Yo! API - John Borthwick's vision realised - Ian Waring

You mean next week.. in a week.. they leave. - mary hodder

Once a hippie, always a hippie. - christina sponselli

Yo! API permits notifications, subscriptions control, with 2 lines of JS or PHP - Ian Waring

steve quit dope for bourbon - Ankush Narula

Buzzfeeds marxist roots: http://www.critical-theory.com/buzzfee... - Kevin Marks

I quit acid and mushrooms for wine and dope. - Francine Hardaway

Funny that: "Das Venture Capital" - Alex de Soto

I thought acid was a prerequisite for try disrupters - Simon Benvenutto

ZOMG.. and then they'll be talking glue: https://www.youtube.com/watch... - mary hodder

quality? - Tina Chase Gillmor

Steve: relo to Salesforce Seattle, you can eat legal pies. - clive boulton

Headline writers VC funded - Ian Waring

or Salesforce Boulder - Kevin Marks

Steve was referring to JUST pies not pot pies - Tina Chase Gillmor

Salesforce Netherlands? - Alex de Soto

Forget Buzzfeed, I want to invest in Clickhole! http://www.clickhole.com/ - Andrew Hazlett

You'll Never Believe The 7 Reasons Steve Gillmor Gave up Dope - mary hodder

Nee toch... - Daniel W. Crompton

Vice on Ice... where the puck is heading - Frank Paynter

Steve's big vice now is eating too many cashews - Tina Chase Gillmor

5 Ways Marxism is Better than Acid - mary hodder

SketchFactor anyone? - Alex de Soto

You can get high on a large dose of cashews? - Simon Benvenutto

click economy.... it sucks - Tina Chase Gillmor

A16Z defining Digital Ocean as "Open Source Software as a Service". Growing like a weed - Ian Waring

Damn, I stepped away for a minute. Whose headlines are we quoting? - Tom Guarriello

MAry.... he, he - Tina Chase Gillmor

Aren't they one of the Quiz Companies? - Frank Paynter

they have done quizzes - Kevin Marks

I love this Clickhole Buzzfeedized headline for... ALL of Moby DIck "The Time I Spent On A Commercial Whaling Ship Totally Changed My Perspective On The World" http://www.clickhole.com/blogpos... - Andrew Hazlett

...and with animated gifs - christina sponselli

Yo! should do this now... - Ian Waring

I post a lot of tech links on my twitter feed, the only stories that get likes/RTs are a specific subset (mostly javascript these days) - Adnan

Buzzfeed...oh yeah... - Tom Guarriello

21 Reasons Not To Visit Buzzfeed :-D - Ankush Narula

I love digital ocean. They are the hosting company I use for my businesses and clientts - Chris Hale

people care about "stars" not the human condition - Tina Chase Gillmor

Likewise. My Wordpress network on them. - Ian Waring

"What YOU didn't know about linkbait?" - Ankush Narula

Church is the content side? - Daniel W. Crompton

Daniel - yes - Keith Teare

Names make news ;) - Dave Martin

"What Food Combination Represents Your Relationship?" - Ankush Narula

But then you'd turn into an ignorant rude lout, Keith! ;) - Tom Guarriello

that's some deep journalism - Ankush Narula

Bazaar pointing at Cathedrals - Ian Waring

oh, wait... "seattlepi" ... I get it. - Frank Paynter

So if I understand Dan correctly, I should be posting only javascript links, but thats no fun - Adnan

It's native advertising.. verses native content.. http://humboldtsentinel.com/2014... - mary hodder

I think the toast beats buzzfeed hands down http://the-toast.net/2014... - Kevin Marks

John Oliver suggests that if the advertisers get to direct content.. that the journalists should get to direct ads.. see video above.. very funny. - mary hodder

Cathedral and the Bizarre - Frank Paynter

The Internet's Original Sin - The Atlantic http://theatln.tc/1mS16H0 - Ankush Narula

^^^ this kinda sums it up - Ankush Narula

John Oliver++ - Kevin Marks

Bit like the guy attacked by a machete in a NY bar of ill repute - "Headless man found in topless bar" - Ian Waring

Dan, what is yr opinion of Vox? - christina sponselli

12 ways Buzzfeed is better than Marxism (which is better than Acid) - mary hodder

http://www.critical-theory.com/buzzfee... - Kevin Marks

+1 Ian - clive boulton

pivot - Tina Chase Gillmor

Mary - nothing is better than acid - Keith Teare

Facebook unbundling grief lacks an animal logo http://blogs.wsj.com/digits... - clive boulton

Once again, someone using the word "schizophrenic" when what they mean is "multiple personality." (Pet peeve.) - Tom Guarriello

wow - Andrew Hazlett

anybody read "Retreat of the State" by Susan Strange? - Frank Paynter

"native advertising" = self-promotion - Tina Chase Gillmor

is Robert Scoble still alive? let's see..... - Tina Chase Gillmor

"native advertising" puts food on the table for a lot of free-lancers - Frank Paynter

Shouldn't that be "indigenous people's advertising" or "First Nation's People's advertising"? - Andrew Hazlett

Yo! can notify you when Andreessen releases a tweet storm also :-) - Ian Waring

Peretti's first paper: http://www.datawranglers.com/negatio... - Kevin Marks

(It's so much easier to comment here and post links -- to NATIVE advertising John Oliver video above -- when you aren't on the show.. than when you are on.. can't do it.) - mary hodder

yep, he's ok LOL - Tina Chase Gillmor

agreed mary - Kevin Marks

I have to shut up for a bit to go get them - Kevin Marks

as part of our content marketing I've been posting listicles on BuzzFeed, it does drive traffic. - Daniel W. Crompton

Man, Durkheim shows up on GG...heavy duty show today! - Tom Guarriello

Emile Durkheim! FTW - Frank Paynter

"A long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behavior, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation." - Ankush Narula

Redmond should rehire Robert... - clive boulton

Sounds like the web - Ankush Narula

First world problems Mary and Kevin - Francine Hardaway

iBracelet? - Alex de Soto

when it comes to some informative reading together with monetization, I like what medium is doing here https://medium.com/re-form - Satyajit

How about talking about Humin being released this week. I know scoble likes Humin. I have been trying it and want to see others think - Chris Hale

you can blame deleuze for that - Kevin Marks

iPud 6.0! - Frank Paynter

link to that podcast podcast? - Andrew Hazlett

doesn't kevin get any cred for podcasting? - Ankush Narula

I've been listening to GG since it wasn't a podcast, then - Tom Guarriello

Yeah, Kevin contributed one of the critical pieces - Andrew Hazlett

audioscrobbling somehow become podcasting - Ankush Narula

Steve Chen taking Kevin's place at Google Ventures... - Tom Guarriello

I made the first script that put podcasts on an iPod, yep. - Kevin Marks

Interesting story about KKR promoting desert grown alfalfa for the Chinese dairy industry... exporting Colorado River water to Shanghai! - Frank Paynter

I just use this site: http://www.isscobleinthisroom.com/ - Kevin Marks

Including your abusive ex-boyfriend.. Humin is great for data-exhibitionists.. but not so great for those of us that might not want everything out there for various reasons. - mary hodder

Wasn't able to get the voice mail set up in Humin... ;( - J.C. Bouvier

no trail - Tina Chase Gillmor

hmm. That sounds interesting as a chat concept. - Chris Hale

No social consequences, the sociopath's anthem - Tom Guarriello

Dust blows forward and the dust blows back - Frank Paynter

that could be good for speed reading too! - Satyajit

Is this a dagger? - Frank Paynter

Is Scoble In This Room? Almost certainly not. We last saw Scoble 1223km away from you, 434 days ago. - clive boulton

mary hodder: I can only see people who have handed me a business card or who has friended me on Facebook. So, DE FACTO you have stuff out there. I just wish I could keep all that stuff up to date. Contacts rot over time. - Robert Scoble

Oh, this one is definitely important to me. Cisco just announced laying off 6k employees - Chris Hale

thats withknown.com - Kevin Marks

KEVIN, why known is based on PHP ? - flyinthesoup

Is this a dagger I see in front of me, with its handle pointing toward my hand? (to the dagger) Come, let me hold you. (he grabs at the air in front of him without touching anything) I don’t have you but I can still see you. Fateful apparition, isn’t it possible to touch you as well as see you? Or are you nothing more than a dagger created by the mind, a hallucination from my fevered brain? I can still see you, and you look as real as this other dagger that I’m pulling out now. (he draws a dagger) You’re leading me toward the place I was going already, and I was planning to use a weapon just like you. My eyesight must either be the one sense that’s not working, or else it’s the only one that’s working right. I can still see you, and I see blood splotches on your blade and handle that weren’t there before. (to himself) There’s no dagger here. It’s the murder I’m about to do that’s making me think I see one. Now half the world is asleep and being deceived by evil nightmares. Witches are offering sacrifices to their goddess Hecate. Old man murder, having been roused by the howls of his wolf, walks silently to his destination, moving like TARQUIN Tarquin was a Roman prince who sneaked into a Roman wife’s bedroom in the middle of the night and raped her. Tarquin, as quiet as a ghost. (speaking to the ground) Hard ground, don’t listen to the direction of my steps. I don’t want you to echo back where I am and break the terrible stillness of this moment, a silence that is so appropriate for what I’m about to do. While I stay here talking, Duncan lives. The more I talk, the more my courage cools. - Frank Paynter

yes, PHP for ease of hosting - Kevin Marks

it's nicely written PHP - Kevin Marks

what are yall taking about PHP? I missed the start of that thread - Chris Hale

please suggest guys to go with nodejs + markdown - flyinthesoup

you pasted a footnote too Frank - Kevin Marks

Huge inflection point re: robots forthcoming - Tom Guarriello

we are talking it is a shame this indie WEB good initiative is born dead with PHP - flyinthesoup

Kevin: collections of Android / iPhone apps on desktops? - clive boulton

Im a 10+ yr php dev and love hearing new php stuff. At the same time, I am starting to lean more towards node - Chris Hale

nodejs is still a bit hard to self-host - Kevin Marks

Kevin, why do you think node is hard to self host? - Chris Hale

thats just silly language partisanship, flyinthesoup - Kevin Marks

Kevin, you should never believe it - flyinthesoup

I saw that! TMI - Frank Paynter

Cliff Richard on the telly again - Ian Waring

it's easy on heroku, it's hard on a generic hosting provider - Kevin Marks

I was just into the sililoquy thing - Frank Paynter

<sarcasm>but without node how are they going to get funded</sarcasm> - Adnan

+1 Ian - clive boulton

Bravos, Dan. Well said! - Dave Martin

Meteor looks good atop node.js - Ian Waring

I was a lead devops engineer at a startup that had some public node sites and it wasnt so tough. It was actually fairly easy. Just install nginx and node and its pretty seamless - Chris Hale

Known needs to be hosted in places that host wordpress, which means MySQL+PHP - Kevin Marks

Chris: yeah, sad to see problems at Cisco, lots of people are being hurt, but that helps startups too, available humans to work. - Robert Scoble

Oh, kevin, that's not right to paint a "silly language partisanship" . This is the DEFACTO standard for ANY modern thinking web app - flyinthesoup

I think it was the Gaza strip folks - Andrew Hazlett

gaza!# - Ian Waring

there are indieweb apps in node too - Kevin Marks

yup - Ankush Narula

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. H. L. Mencken - Andrew Hazlett

Kevin: on desktop collections of Android / iPhone apps vs Polymer components? - clive boulton

I agree @Robert. It affects me since I am a contractor for them. Thankfully the axe hasnt been weilded over my head - Chris Hale

73 - Ian Waring

Superinjunction city - Ian Waring

flyinthesoup you are talking bollocks. - Kevin Marks

I build stuff in node, python, ruby, PHP, Java, whatever - Kevin Marks

Google Elm Lodge Kitty Gladys - more... - Ian Waring

Speaking of wordpress hosting, I might be open sourcing some of my nginx config stuff on how to setup wordpress sites on nginx while using hhvm for php - Chris Hale

+1 Kevin - Adnan

George Carlin - Ankush Narula

ya - Ankush Narula

Senor wences - Frank Paynter

@flyinthesoup - Just noticed the thread. CEO / lead developer of Known here. PHP was a pragmatic decision based on research and data. Not arbitrarily chosen. Supported platform is a feature. - Ben Werdmuller

node is quick to get up, but has a lot of immature libraries too - Kevin Marks

Netcraft monitor coverage of PHP sites worldwide for Zend - Ian Waring

Meteor.js on node! - Ian Waring

I love snarcasm - Ankush Narula

Jonathan Winters - christina sponselli

+1 christina - Tom Guarriello

devops luv go hate node - clive boulton

Thanks for ending on a positive note Steve. Louis C.K. is cool. He will step up! - Alex de Soto

@Kevin, I agree about library maturity. On the flip side, I am really digging a lot of the new js and node based tools that are springing up to help make developer workflow easier. Tools like yeoman, gulp and others make development really nice - Chris Hale

Keith - BBC say more people have come forward with more info... - Ian Waring

We're all bozos on this bus, Steve - Tom Guarriello

it seems that devops love ruby more than anything else - Ankush Narula

browserify is attractive too - Kevin Marks

The guy who was mentioning meteor, have you tried sails? Do you have an opinion on one or the other - Chris Hale

call me a "bollocks sayer" and stick with PHP and you'll see what happens to the world - flyinthesoup

No experience of Sails - Ian Waring

PHP was certain doom for Facebook after all - Kevin Marks

:-) - Ankush Narula

i have been teaching myself Sails this week and like its ability to scaffold REST apis really quick - Chris Hale

Awesome show Steve and gang! - Chris Hale

Gang, as always big thanks for taking time to share your thoughts with the rest of us. - Simon Benvenutto

That was great! - Daniel W. Crompton

au revoir, over and out - until the next time - Ian Waring

Another outstanding GG - Tom Guarriello

+1 - clive boulton

Great show, have a nice weekend all... - J.C. Bouvier

@flyinthesoup. I still really love php as a language. Have you seen react php? - Chris Hale

wow.... it was a nice show - Tina Chase Gillmor

Love it when I catch these live. Thanks everyone; awesome as always. - Ben Werdmuller

I find bits of PHP very annoying, but you don't have to use them. - Kevin Marks

i liked it.... seems like all we could think about this week - Tina Chase Gillmor

@kevin, very true. I cheat when i write javascript i use http://php.js when i get pissed that js doesnt have some of php's cooler functions - Chris Hale

@ben, i really appretiate you stepping in and please take my comment as a compliment for your initiative. I am sorry Kevin is talking "bollocks", but i do believe the speed things happen perfectly justifies going for nodejs with ANY indie initiative. - flyinthesoup

this is due to NPM and all the ecosystem of modules and flexible app creation taht comes with it - flyinthesoup

@Kevin, where do you work again? Its cool that you get to work on writing in a bunch of different languages - Chris Hale

I'm independent, and I am advising a few startups (including Known) - Kevin Marks

I think every language has a package manager nowadays @flyinthesoup. PHP=composer, javascript web=bower, node=npm, ruby= gem - Chris Hale

yes @Chris, but we're talking about a single language in front & back end - flyinthesoup

flyinthesoup: I'm happy for you to use node for your projects - i use it form some of mine too. You seem to have a bad case of "golden hammer" syndrome when you insist everyone else should use it too - Kevin Marks

I plan to try some Go next - Kevin Marks

If you want to read me saying nice things about node, try http://epeus.blogspot.com/2012... - Kevin Marks

so @kevin, in what capacity are you advising startups. I am curious because I have a few initiatives I am working on and I know I always need advice on different aspects of things. - Chris Hale

i see you insisting in "TAGGING" me withou arguments on why would anyone build anything that can not be fully explored to become a mobile app as a single page front end app consuming as many APIs people want to and this is not ideology, this is effectivity - flyinthesoup

I'm glad you find it effective. - Kevin Marks

Ben finds PHP effective - Kevin Marks

why is that impossible for you to accept? - Kevin Marks

Great, everyone can respect that, but in fact this is not a matter of finding effective, but being effective. - flyinthesoup

I am most interested in the platforms I can use that let me be the most effective one man development team possible. - Chris Hale

Chris: It varies - sometimes I'll do day rate consulting, sometimes I'll have an ongoing advisory board role (with stock or retainer) email me [email protected] if you want to chat - Kevin Marks

because it is not wroth it. if you are the one developing it, you'll certainly benefit A LOT. - flyinthesoup

what have you built, flyinthesoup? I'd love to see examples - Kevin Marks

also, Chris indiewebcamp.com/irc is a good place to talk about independent web development - Kevin Marks

Go perspective http://go-talks.appspot.com/github... - clive boulton

Thank for the info @Kevin. Looks like that could be a helpful IRC to watch - Chris Hale

I have been trying for the past few months to work on going 100% independent developer and consultant and realize it is not as easy as I had hoped. - Chris Hale

@Chris, never give up. @Kevin is certainly a very good advisor. Try to balance selling your time to execute other people's work and gather enough experience to build your own. - flyinthesoup

thanks @flyinthesoup. I have been struggling lately to find time to complete work on my own stuff. This is one of the big reasons I am starting to get into node. Anything that can speed up my dev time is a great thing for me to utilize. Work smart , not harder - Chris Hale

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