Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1:

Hey Robert. - Amyloo

Hi Amyloo. I guess I gotta call Steve and see what's up... - Robert Scoble

Will Jason be on the show? Will the Leo affair be brought up? - Moobie

Power's down at Steve's house. Trying to figure out when things will get going. - Robert Scoble

I hope so, i like Leo but this just makes him look like an A Hole - Aaron Dyer

Aaron: yeah. Leo should never have let anyone else use his brand in the first place. - Robert Scoble

Robert: that's what i think is so odd about it, the thing is Leo did give him the green light, and they even commented about it about a month ago on a TWiT show - Aaron Dyer

We usually don't talk about Leo on Gillmor Gang, though. It's not nice to talk about people who can't defend themselves and Gillmor Gang is about leading edge tech, not media insider gossip anyway. - Robert Scoble

Steve says power seems like it's back on, so he asked everyone to just hang out. - Robert Scoble

so, is RSS dead? :) - Aaron Dyer

Aaron: RSS threw up on Techcrunch this morning. (My baby's initials are R.S.S. which stands for Ryan Soroush Scoble). - Robert Scoble

I think it's funny that he throws up on my Techcrunch T-shirt. I'm wearing a Twitter shirt now, so maybe he'll throw up on that too. :-) - Robert Scoble

Hello from Estonia; a break in the work day and, go figure, here we sit! - Aron Michalski

Aron: that's a ways. What you doing there? Of course now thanks to the volcano you can't leave. ;-) - Robert Scoble

I guess, on the This Week thing, it's always best to have things in writing. Leo must have assumed they were just talking about the one show, but Jason took it a step further. Is that about it? Haven't read a lot about it. - Amyloo

That's the truth. I'm over here doing some shows in the Baltics and Russia, except all our flights are grounded. Not much sleep the past few days. Lithiuania next. - Aron Michalski

I can tell you from the UK, close to Heathrow Airport the skies seem clear and the sunsets have been stunning this weekend - Aaron Dyer

aaron: I just heard a travel expert speak at TEDx Volcano and he said the pressure to get the planes moving again will increase exponentially every day. When you have no food to eat you'll forget about the risk of one crashing. Yikes. - Robert Scoble

The word is we don't know if we'll be able to go home on the 26th as we're supposed to return less than 2 weeks later. We heard it's costing each major airline about $220 million a day; soon they'll risk our lives to save their businesses. - Aron Michalski

Robert Yikes indeed! Raman Noodles it could well be for me then! - Aaron Dyer

Five minutes, maybe less. - Robert Scoble

Hey, Aron. Long time since I've typed at you live. - Amyloo

It sure has. Nice to se you again. - Aron Michalski

Sorry, five minutes, maybe less, to show time, Gillmor just told me. Takes a while to reboot all the machines when power goes out. - Robert Scoble

Aron: the travel guy reminded us that planes didn't fly for six days after 9/11. Why fly on seventh? Financial markets were close to ruin. - Robert Scoble

I suppose the ash cloud is all people are talking about. What do they call it? - Amyloo

so Robert whats the latest count on iPads in the Scoble household? - Aaron Dyer

Translation: we're gonna fly this week no matter what the risk. He was hoping that some science would be done to figure out what the real risk of flying is. - Robert Scoble

Amyloo: I love that people call it #ashtag - Robert Scoble

Aaron: three and counting! - Robert Scoble

#ashtag lol! - Moobie

Robert - as predicted, I left my books at your house :) - Rob La Gesse

That's clever. - Amyloo

I'm sure glad my iPad came in last monday - i think i would be losing my mind if it was grounded! - Aaron Dyer

Robert, my thought as well. The airlines have nevr really recovered from that week off. - Aron Michalski

Rob: I know. I'll mail them with my expense report tomorrow. I'm thinking of adding a Macbook Pro to my expense report to see if you notice. :-) - Robert Scoble

French and Dutch airliners flew test flights today (brave pilots!) (and empty planes, I imagine!) - Rob La Gesse

#ashtag better than #Eyjafjallajokull - Alex de Soto

Robert - I would notice :) - Rob La Gesse

Rob: the brave pilot was Tex Johnson. Check this video out: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Robert Scoble

The thing for us is we can't be grounded; we have to deal with some workarounds outside the comfort zone. Incuding no sleep, etc. - Aron Michalski

Rob, is he usually pretty thrifty, or does he usually go all diva and put stuff like bendy straws on there? - Amyloo

Amyloo: I don't pad my expenses. They are hard enough to do as they are. - Robert Scoble

:) He is pretty thrifty - just very tardy ;) - Rob La Gesse

Although I am tempted to put a nice MacBook Pro on there. :-) - Robert Scoble

man, i should be working for Rackspace! Ha! - Aaron Dyer

Expense it, but ship it to me along with my books and your expense account :) - Rob La Gesse

Cool, Gillmor is calling. - Robert Scoble

Rob: oh, THAT is no fun! - Robert Scoble

Aron, I suppose you pack a certain way for air travel and transporting all the gear, then you can't go ground even if the distance would allow? - Amyloo

And we're LIVE! - Robert Scoble

OK, things seem to be working. - Cliff Gerrish

Power is a good thing. - Rob La Gesse

There's 18 trucks and over 60 people. We've had to resort to day coaches and ferry service to get where we need to get. - Aron Michalski

here comes the Twitter eco-systems discussion. Where is Loic ;-) - Jerry Schuman

Gillmor Gang recording session w/ John Borthwick, Dan Farber and Scoble: http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

There's 18 trucks and over 60 people. We've had to resort to day coaches and ferry service to get where we need to get. - Aron Michalski

Jerry: I can fill in for Loic, I know his position quite well. - Robert Scoble

gr8 afternoon to u all - Johni Fisher

Hello, Johni - Rob La Gesse

:) Rob Rob :)) - Johni Fisher

BTW - was great to have lunch with Steve and Tina this week as we plan the future of the real-time world :) - Rob La Gesse

Native code, web code applications -- there's some politics there. - Cliff Gerrish

Will Twitter's URL shortening do reports like Bit.ly, I wonder? If not I can see why Bit.ly wouldn't care. - Amyloo

Cliff: I can't hear Gillmor very well. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I tried that little startup you interviewed, GenWi, and their apps are backlogged getting into the App store. - Amyloo

OK, robert. Thanks. - Cliff Gerrish

Do Twitter developers have any choice but to be positive about Twitter? - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff: absolutly they have a choice. - Robert Scoble

Cliff: with Facebook this week they could change their business quite profoundly. - Robert Scoble

I kinda agree and disagree with Robert - Chirp gave the Twitter Devs some hope - but it is a cautious hope. I think they don;t really trust Twitter right now. - Rob La Gesse

They have a choice to vote with their feet. - Cliff Gerrish

Many are going to do that anyway. - Robert Scoble

Rob: they trust them a LOT more today than five days ago. - Robert Scoble

Robert - that is still LESS trust then they had 8 days ago :) - Rob La Gesse

The reality is that Twitter needs to create a business model for their ecosystem that supports both them and their developers. - Cliff Gerrish

Rob: I'd agree with that. - Robert Scoble

Cliff: a MAJOR part of this week was explaining how Twitter is going to do that with PromotedTweets. - Robert Scoble

Robert: do the devs think that will provide them with enough revenue? - Cliff Gerrish

Loic's new Seesmic plugins are a great way to move on without depending on Twitter alone. - Alex de Soto

Alex - Seesmic is now under pressure to build their own community of plugin developers. That is always a challenge, but I think Loic can pull that off. - Rob La Gesse

hello all - just jumped on to watch the discussion - Nick Halstead

Cliff: that is a HUGE question. - Robert Scoble

Seesmic's revenue requirements are related to their capital structure. - Cliff Gerrish

Hi Nick. - Robert Scoble

Twitter needs to make sure that they don't get too complicated, most users like Twitter because it's simple - Kim Landwehr

Kim: I think that's why the redesign is taking so long. - Robert Scoble

I'd like to see more detail about Facebook conversations in bit.ly. it reports number of comments, etc, but you have to go find them yourself. - Amyloo

the thing John is not answering - is that Annotations will remove the need for short url's completely long term - Nick Halstead

yeah they need to make sure they don't please the power users while alienating mainstream users - Kim Landwehr

We're working on getting the video stream back up. - Cliff Gerrish

We're pausing for a commercial break. Try Rackspace :) - Rob La Gesse

back up on ustream - Kim Landwehr

Yeah, we're back. - Cliff Gerrish

Since bit.ly is topical, there was a very frustrating bit.ly experience with a shortening scenario by a software developer this week (one of my contacts on FF): http://cranialsoup.blogspot.com/2010... - Micah

:) Micah - hello! - Rob La Gesse

Hey, Rob :) - Micah

Wouldn't Twitter redesign have to relate to the upcoming iPhone app (Tweetie3)? - Alex de Soto

Wonder if CBS has a policy about who has permission to Tweet. - Amyloo

@Amyloo - most companies do. Those that do not, probably should. - Rob La Gesse

all the news agencies are totally and utterly fooling themselves that making individual apps for the iPad will work - users dont want an even more fragmented news reading experience! its worse than switching between web pages! - Nick Halstead

Nick: funny enough I've read a lot of news in that system recently. But I do like Skygrid and Twitterriffic better. - Robert Scoble

Agree, Rob. - Amyloo

Why did Gillmor get quiet again? Cliff? - Robert Scoble

Actually, I think it's much better than switching between web pages. - Cliff Gerrish

Nick - I am not too sure about that - if those individual apps pre-cached content for me so I could read in-depth news while NOT connected to the network I would find them pretty useful. Otherwise I am using my browser. - Rob La Gesse

Robert, I'll let him know. - Cliff Gerrish

Rob, but if you had 'one' app that pre-cached the content from across sites? - Nick Halstead

Cliff: it's very weird that he gets loud for a while, then gets soft. Not sure what slider you are changing. - Robert Scoble

Nick - pre-caches what? The Internet? - Rob La Gesse

Robert: No sliders being touched. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert, am sure there is 'massive' room for improvment on building totally new experiences for reading content across the web in a single app - Nick Halstead

Cliff: this is a common problem on the show. Steve gets very soft from time to time. It makes it hard to follow. - Robert Scoble

I think the linking of the small, medium and big screens is a whole new ecosystem. - Cliff Gerrish

Rob La, yes, the whole licensing model for the internet news is going to change in next 1-2 years and you will find bundled + micro-brokerage solutions for accessing content offline - Nick Halstead

I just did a five day trip with no computer but an iPad - actually worked very well (with a few exceptions where I could not view flash videos). I have no desire to look at a flash-based site. - Rob La Gesse

Robert: We may not be able to fix in flight. We may have to do a sound check after or before. - Cliff Gerrish

One can only hope that restaurants will stop creating flash based sites. - Cliff Gerrish

Would be nice if iPad would allow side by side browser windows to get around the widget problem, once multitasking comes. - Amyloo

TweetDeck not supporting click-able links in portrait mode sucks. - Rob La Gesse

Rob La, Iain tells me that is fixed but has not been pushed to the store yet - Nick Halstead

Err - landscape mode, I mean :) - Rob La Gesse

Cliff - I hope so. Not very useful on the iPhone, those Flash restaurant sites. - Alex de Soto

OK, now I can blame Steve Jobs and not TweetDeck :) - Rob La Gesse

I still 100% say that none of the current brands e.g. tweetdeck / Seesmic / Tweetie will end up making the best iPad app - Nick Halstead

Cliff, Alex re. restaurants - absolutely. - Micah

E-learning companies are running scared. Best stuff is all Flash. - Amyloo

HTML5 FTW - Rob La Gesse

And they want to be on the iPad. - Amyloo

Look at the Netflix app on the iPad - pure art. - Rob La Gesse

Rob, yes the Netflix app was the first highly praised iPad app per first reactions on my FF stream. - Micah

Steve - a Dell? Where did that come from? Never mind. I think I know :) - Rob La Gesse

You don't hear much about what will happen with non-video Flash. I guess HTML5 canvas element allows vector stuff, you just don't hear about it. - Amyloo

Scoble - what does your shirt say? - Rob La Gesse

It seems like the stylus itself should be virtualized. - Cliff Gerrish

If there is ANY industry that needs disrupted it is the textbook industry. - Rob La Gesse

Rob: my shirt says "Wearing my Twitter shirt." - Robert Scoble

Comcast NEEDS to lose - Rob La Gesse

Agree with Rob! Just think, every state could have their own version of American history. Texas wouldn't have to dominate. - Alex de Soto

Alex - I live in Texas and I despise our revisionist history texts. Embarrasses me. - Rob La Gesse

Actually, to clarify - Comcast DESERVES to lose. - Rob La Gesse

John, aren't these examples are what Fred Wilson asked for in his now infamous post? More than just filling hols? - Julien

The test of 4square's defensible value will be whether or not Yahoo buys them. - Cliff Gerrish

My understanding of the whole thing (fred Wilson's post) is that Twitter is actually trying to be both the platform on which more services like 4sq, Gowalla (and even plancast, Qora and others) are built, as well as a service by itself. It's one role too many! - Julien

We have not even discussed "platvertising" yet - which is one of the big things Twitter announced. - Rob La Gesse

Exactly : the wholes is just a big question mark b/c twitter plays both roles! - Julien

Julien, you see this model quite often in the financial services world. Schwab will provide a brokerage acct platform, and also compete against its clients. - Cliff Gerrish

Julien: Think of Google Maps. It's a platform Google uses well and one also used by thousands of mashups to their advantage. - Alex de Soto

Cliff: agreed. It's the case in man industries : retailers have their own brands and sell other brands... it's manageable, but creates tension - Julien

Julien, it's a tension, but it can be managed. Generally it creates volume that brings prices down for everyone. - Cliff Gerrish

btw: looking for good voip client for iphone/ipad? Media5fone and it supports G.722 wideband audio. I used it the other day and was blown away. - Jerry Schuman

BTW - I think I just made up "platvertising" - where the platform is the ad network. Where the platform spams you, not the apps. Twitter seems to be becoming such a beast. - Rob La Gesse

Nicely put, John - Amyloo

compound streams are the new compound documents. - Jerry Schuman

Metaphorics: spinning threads, weaving fabric, creating braids... - Cliff Gerrish

rob is such a sweetie pie... - Amyloo

:) Thanks, Amyloo! - Rob La Gesse

awesome. Now off to Costco - Robert Scoble

Rob, with google as my witness, I believe you just did (coin "platvertising"). - Micah

Sunday is fine. Call it The Church of Gillmor. Nice show! - Alex de Soto

@Micah - cool - perhaps I should create a Wikipedia page :) (No, that's not my thing - I try to help build the web and let others document it!) - Rob La Gesse

@Rob devs (classically) hate documentation - cred! :) - Micah

Bummer. Missed it all. - Francine Hardaway

Wow...The dudes rocked today. - Michele Lorito-Chase

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