Gillmor Gang, special time 1:30pm PT. Chat

http://cloudblog.salesforce.com/2010... - Steve Gillmor

Waiting for the call! - Robert Scoble

so whats on the todays Agenda? - Nick Halstead

Nick: you! :-) Seriously. - Robert Scoble

I am here. Where is everybody? - Francine Hardaway

lol - my ears are burning already - Nick Halstead

Coming online shortly. - Robert Scoble

So, Nick, can DataSift get rid of anyone talking about Fast Company's influence project or SXSW Panels? - Robert Scoble

yes - Nick Halstead

Awesome! - Robert Scoble

you can build rules to remove as well as find - Nick Halstead

finally found a way to use the Wibiya toolbar-- to watch GG - Francine Hardaway

Here we go - Kevin Costain

Oh sweet, Andrew Keen. An Educated Man - Francine Hardaway

check this rule I tweeted -> http://twitter.com/DataSif... - finds all ISBN numbers - no idea why you would want to do it - but its geeky :) - Nick Halstead

Would love to get rid of the FC Influence project - Francine Hardaway

I'm not sure if having Platforms and Service Providers talking together behind close doors really IS a good thing. These discussions need to be done in the public forum. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Steve went soft for a minute - Francine Hardaway

hehe - Robert Scoble

I hope the Oracle lawsuit gets discussed. - Jim Posner

Jim: I'm sure it will. - Robert Scoble

And in 5 years, mobile will be much more robust and relevant WHILE Broadband will be less relevant. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

And Facebook needs some credit to still stand against this direction. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Robert- I am curious about your thoughts about J. Schwartz using the Google suit as a honey pot for the Oracle acq. - Jim Posner

Google/ Verizon didn't pass a law, they agreed on a proposal for a framework. - coldbrew

coldbrew: yes, but what they say publicly is important in terms of direction. Laws come after proposals and public stances. Google has lots of people lobbying government. - Robert Scoble

evidently Verizon does not want me to watch this in real time. I can't get the video to work at all. ca I'll tryi and pick it up on ustream on the phone. - Karoli

Well, good lord, I am glad you are using your distribution to help make it more publicly known. - coldbrew

karoli: this is a ~500kbps stream, and 3G networks still only do that well in bursts. - coldbrew

Jim: I'mnot sure I have a good opinion or visibility onto that. What do you think? Jonathan seems to have used it to get out of Sun and get Sun out of a bad spot in the marketplace. Sun wasn't going to be a major player long term and Jonathan seemed to know that. - Robert Scoble

"Verizon cracking the whip on Google." So the carriers are still in charge. I thought that was over. - Francine Hardaway

Keen: those types of suppositions are not helpful and simply red herrings. - coldbrew

Robert-Miguel de Icaza's blog has some interesting comments on Schwartz http://tirania.org/blog... must read if you haven't - Jim Posner

@Francine - ISPs/Carriers are always in charge. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

I spoke to an ATT field guy yesterday day and he told me ATT will be and is getting away from cable and moving to WiMax. - Jim Posner

Posner: Really? Not LTE? - coldbrew

Jim: yes, that's a must read. I already had retweeted that. - Robert Scoble

clearwire is also looking at lte - coldbrew

It would be best if we are not left with a double standard where we rehash the CDMA /GSM game and continue to compound that with frequency differences (there is no 3G data for the iphone on Tmob's network). Switching costs are not low enough to engender competition. - coldbrew

David Bois also adds weight to the case. Surprised he took it. - Jim Posner

Another good article on Google vs. Oracle: http://www.groklaw.net/article... - Robert Scoble

Yeah http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010... - Robert Scoble

there is a Sun JDK license cost for the ARM platform - coldbrew

JQuery is Javascript - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

how do you gauge revenue for search marketing distribution in the 'local 'space? - coldbrew

Thanks Mark. - Robert Scoble

thus the "J" - Tina Chase Gillmor

Google doesn't get "social" because they have too many PHd's - they are NOT the most social people on the planet - Rob La Gesse

there is still interest in the Wave Protocol; SAP and Novell both were developing compatible products - coldbrew

I love the idea of DataSift. Get it done, dude - Francine Hardaway

Novell should completely take over Wave IMO... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

i'd rather see it become an apache project - coldbrew

stream is strong today - Tina Chase Gillmor

Dont talk Tina. You will jinx it - Francine Hardaway

Who wants to give the newly crowned "evil Google" even more personal data? - Rob La Gesse

the point here is - that the twitter stream / facebook stream - is data about what is important on the internet - Nick Halstead

Google still relies upon pagerank - links between pages - Nick Halstead

And people don't go to pages anymore unless they've gone to Twitter or FB first - Francine Hardaway

But Google could be an Aggregation/Search Layer on top of these other Social Tools. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

@manielse - but they will never own that data - and that would destroy them long term - Nick Halstead

Wave was potentially their winner in the social space -- they don't seem to understand though. - Brian Sullivan

But they didn't provide a use case or an interface Brian - Francine Hardaway

Wave was in a different social space that nobody else is in -- corporate collaboration. - Brian Sullivan

As I said Francine they didn't understand. - Brian Sullivan

That would have been a long sales cycle:-) - Francine Hardaway

Maybe Nick. Most of that data has a very small lifecycle of relevance though. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

personally, my interest in Wave was not in any way related to google other than their engineers contributing - coldbrew

Is Google buying twitter completely off the table? - Jim Posner

Small business is all about collaboration though. - Brian Sullivan

i believe it is - coldbrew

My current conpiracy theory for the end of WAVE is that they realized it would diminish part of their value proposition (in the long-run). - coldbrew

But I can do that on Tweetdeck, big deal. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

stream splicing - Jim Posner

Yes, Jim - Francine Hardaway

Mark: not well, and TweetDeck isn't sharable. Can you share your searches with me? Thought not. - Robert Scoble

So is that what Datasift is? - Francine Hardaway

Mark: I can share any search I do on Google with you. - Robert Scoble

Francine: according to Nick, yes. - Robert Scoble

Good point Robert. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

If that's what it is, I cannot wait. That would take Flowtown one level deeper - Francine Hardaway

I just want Nick to know that I signed up ASAP and really want chosen ASAP for the beta :) - Rob La Gesse

So did I, Rob, me too. - Francine Hardaway

yes - you can build a stream - then share it - and base your share upon someone elses stream - Nick Halstead

Library of Congress has the original tweet, and probably a card catalogue where you can look for it LOL - Francine Hardaway

ListiMonkey can do some of what Steve wants for Twitter Lists, albeit only as an email alert. - Alex Schleber

Steve is definitely NOT talking about email alerts - Tina Chase Gillmor

Scoble's post from Hudson crash: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

GTalk, Jabber - that's where I want to see the results of my searches. - Rob La Gesse

We really want Per User/Per Group keyword based surfacing (or muting) as described here: http://businessmindhacks.com/post... - Alex Schleber

it is interesting to note that the original track feature from twitter was on top of xmpp, just like the wave protocol - coldbrew

what I am looking to most - is actually Twitter Annotations - because that extra data will be able to be leveraged by DataSift immediately - Nick Halstead

Ah everybody wants the RMM feature. - Brian Sullivan

because so many 3rd party apps will start putting so much cool meta data - and Google wont be able to make use of it - because they only know about indexing text - Nick Halstead

Just signed up as a Datasift alpha tester..Nick over to you..:-) - Jim Posner

Mark, did you get Scoble's tweet back out of Friendfeed as the archive? :) - Alex Schleber

Yes Alex. :-) - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Sullivan seems to be humoring him - coldbrew

Huge difference: Enterprise World vs RoW - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Nick, me,me,me,me,me! - Francine Hardaway

Scoble - Real Time example - I am looking for a company that hosts with us that sells millions of small parts - like parts for Air Conditioners, etc. Need to use them as an example to a potential customer. - Rob La Gesse

Gesse: a real-time feed of inventory based on a local network of junk/parts dealers - coldbrew

I wonder if we need a personal "Business Intelligence" type tool. One that can search, aggregate different data sources, curate, compile, roll up, etc into dashboards. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Robert: also see this: http://twitpic.com/2ef7ln - Richard

He's biking more....LOL - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Scoble got some summer sun, a rarity for a geek :) - Alex Schleber

RMM again -- the holy grail of information retrieval - Brian Sullivan

Just noticed Twitter added the "You both Follow" feature as well. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

The new Android voice app is very nice! - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

I think the topic is about the voice recognition technologies - coldbrew

thanks for the good stream - coldbrew

Nice show everyone. Ta ta until next week - Rob La Gesse

Yes nice show. Thanks everyone - Tina Chase Gillmor

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