Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1:

I'm in Gillmor's kitchen, should be interesting! - Robert Scoble

What are we talking about today? - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: I don't know yet, Gillmor's calling everyone in. - Robert Scoble

Live Gillmor Gang recording session w/ John Tashek, Sam Whitmore, Dick Hardt and Scoble, participate at http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

We're on air now. - Robert Scoble

Jesus, Get Louis Gray on to fight back against this Android Bashing - Stephen Pickering

How is using two phones optimizing? - Cliff Gerrish

How is the iPad holding the Web in my hand, if when I'm on Louis Gray's blog this morning I can't even comment on Disqus with it? - Stephen Pickering

Cliff: iPhone is more productive for web/twitter/apps. Verizon or Sprint better for voice. - Robert Scoble

Why does Leo Laporte say the Nexus One is great and this guy say its terrible? WHo to trust? - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: none of us. Decide for yourself. There won't be a winner take all. - Robert Scoble

Because it's doing more things! Louis Gray says he got 9 hours on his EVO - Stephen Pickering

Any phone that requires a task manager is a non-starter. - Cliff Gerrish

Stephen I don't understand... TYPE sloooooower. - SAM

I get a lot of butt calls from people with Android phones. Few from folks with iPhones. - Alex de Soto

Android uses more battery because its doing more things. - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: Louis must not use his phone. On my EVO I did ONE CALL for ONE HOUR and it ate 40% of my battery. - Robert Scoble

Stephen: and that's with ALL TASKS KILLED. - Robert Scoble

Will Sprint let everyone test drive the EVO for a month or was that only for the Google I/O folks? - Stephen Pickering

Ribbit works good for iPhone -- quick messages, text transcriptions, etc. - Cliff Gerrish

Stephen: that was only for the Google I/O folks. Smart marketing. - Robert Scoble

iPhone: Talk time: Up to 7 hours on 3G; Up to 14 hours on 2G - Alex de Soto

OK, thanks Robert - Stephen Pickering

Gee, When I grow up I want to have multiple phones with different providers and seperate bills so I can decide What I like. Till then, I'll pay my mortgage. - Aron Michalski

Aron: it's my job and I'm very fortunate. So, in your situation you have to choose one. - Robert Scoble

I wish I could test the EVO for myself because I've seen different reviews from trustworthy people - Stephen Pickering

Aron needs a phone that works wherever Metallica goes... - Cliff Gerrish

Stephen: I've given different reviews of the EVO. If Voice is what matters to you, it is best. If tethering matters to you. It is best. If web/twitter productivity matters to you iPhone is best. - Robert Scoble

Well what I mean is that I've hear different people saying different things about the battery. - Stephen Pickering

Last I heard Verizon would go to metered access only when they jump to 4G. - Alex de Soto

Stephen: it's possible that there's different batteries. I had an 1800mah battery. I hear if you buy it you can get a 3500 mah one. That would be dramatically better. - Robert Scoble

Ah, cool, thanks Robert - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: also different usage uses battery differently. Unless Louis and I walked around together and used our phones exactly the same I don't know what he's doing. - Robert Scoble

Yeah, IC, well, like on Arrington's hit piece, there were a lot of comments on both sides of the battery life, some agreed it was terrible and just as many others said it was fine - Stephen Pickering

Robert, I understand your position and appreciate all of the testing/comparisons you do. We all have different unique needs with these devices and they are rarely one size fits all. My N1 has been a great device for international travel though not perfect. Its a work in progress that fits well. - Aron Michalski

might be neat if you could combine video chat with a little phone projector for meetings - Amyloo

Seems like the 'little projecter' isn't quite cheap enough for mass production yet. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert, it seems like something like Siri could end up doing what you're talking about. - Cliff Gerrish

Stream down - Stephen Pickering

We're working on getting the stream back up. - Cliff Gerrish

Streams back up. - Cliff Gerrish

Aron when you grow up will you still wander the road with rock n roll bands? :D - Mark Forman

The check in is just the gesture that triggers service orchestration. But ya gotta have services to orchestrate. - Cliff Gerrish

conventions are a natural for loc-based stuff - Amyloo

Cliff: Siri is going to be big a year or two from now. - Robert Scoble

Siri is going to be built in to the iPhone in a year or so. - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff: that's why it's going to be huge. :-) - Robert Scoble

Hooray! I finally found you guys in real time!!!!! - Francine Hardaway

Hi Francine... - Cliff Gerrish

I wonder if we need a single standard or just the ability to orchestrate multiple checkins combined with other services. It's just a matter of what deals the location companies cut. - Cliff Gerrish

Hi Cliff. Saw your post and realized this must be recording. Thx - Francine Hardaway

I will also be going to LeWeb. I hope to hell it doesn't cost me $5 grand - Francine Hardaway

Perhaps we could say that we're 'transactional' but really cheap. - Cliff Gerrish

I hope not. I don't want to be treated like I want to buy every time I check into Foursquare. - Francine Hardaway

Francine: you are absolutely wrong. Have you seen the offers in Foursquare? - Robert Scoble

The offers in Foursquare are ABSOLUTELY what I'm talking about here. - Robert Scoble

The being transactional idea is part of behavioural targeting which looks at those sort of opportunities. - Todd Hoff

Francine: LeWeb: United is $1,000 round trip. LeWeb tickets: $500 for early, $1,500 for late. Hotels: $500 per night. Dinners: I spent $200 on one dinner last year. You can EASILY get to $5,000 for a LeWeb trip. - Robert Scoble

Barnes & Noble has the 2 highest sales per square foot next to Apple. They are marketing geniuses in those stores. They'll be fine. - Stephen Pickering

maybe the bookstores do turn into showrooms, like the old sears catalog stores - Amyloo

Bookstores will sell you the electronic book as well -- they'll just send it to your device. - Cliff Gerrish

Yes, I see the offers on Foursquare. I get a dollar off my Starbucks if I'm the Mayor. So what? - Francine Hardaway

Francine: and you'll be more likely to check into Starbucks to get that deal now. - Robert Scoble

Hmmm...Frequent flyer miles buy the trip, bed and breakfasts for the room, and $500 for the conference:-) Wine and Baguettes for dinner. I'm not on any expense account. - Francine Hardaway

Francine: and people who drink coffee every day are far more valuable to acquire as customers this way than others. It's VERY EFFICIENT advertising. - Robert Scoble

Francine: that's nice if you have the miles. I can't stand B&Bs. When I'm in Paris I'm gonna eat at great restaurants. - Robert Scoble

No chance. I check into Starbucks anyway. I don't care about offers. I do it to see where my friends are. Different purpose. I am the voyeur. - Francine Hardaway

Francine: we all know you're weird. Look at the popularity of Groupon. - Robert Scoble

Francine: deals get many people worked up. - Robert Scoble

But Apple isn't dominating from 'good enough' -- they're leading. - Cliff Gerrish

they're pathetically successful - Jerome Hughes

Then why don't they stop advertising and use the money to build the network - Stephen Pickering

they're a mega corp - Jerome Hughes

THe reason AT&T voice is so terrible is because GSM is an 80's technology, CDMA is 10x more efficient. iPhone wouldn't bring down Verizon. - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: AT&T says they can't. They can't add bigger antennas in San Franciso, is what they tell me. - Robert Scoble

The Data isn't the problem. Voice is the problem - Stephen Pickering

CDMA isn't global. With GSM you can build one phone and sell it everywhere. - Cliff Gerrish

don't the other companies also have to abide by that regulation? - Jerome Hughes

Devil's slide in HMB - Francine Hardaway

Some parts of the 92 into HMB - Francine Hardaway

So what? Something like only 40% of US people have passports. Even if you do travel overseas how much time do you spend there compared to in the States? - Stephen Pickering

I have read that about the antenna, too, Robert. - Francine Hardaway

jerome have you talked to any real people who use lear in chicago? - Amyloo

Right. Videochat will drive everything. - Francine Hardaway

Clear - Amyloo

Francine: yeah, on 92 AT&T drops where Sprint and Verizon don't. - Robert Scoble

Francine: but in other places my readers tell me they can't use Sprint in their house where AT&T works. So that will vary on a case-by-case basis. - Robert Scoble

Amyloo: a few, some of the FVCP guys rep it - Jerome Hughes

I never even knew what a dropped call was for 14 years on a CDMA network. Got the iPhone last summer. Dropped call on every phone call - Stephen Pickering

Sprint sucks in AZ. Only Verizon seems uniformly good, and I travel too much to keep it. - Francine Hardaway

Wifi hotspots are going to be another service orchestration point. A new 'television' broadcasting network. - Cliff Gerrish

And it sounds like I'm talking to someone on a HAM radio - Stephen Pickering

it's tempting but not sure about it - Amyloo

If you had all that wifi and a handoff protocol to move your connection as you moved, you wouldn't need AT&T at all. - Todd Hoff

Notice that Starbucks has re-instituted free wifi - Francine Hardaway

Why don't they make a Touch that is everything an iPhone is except it only does Wifi, get a Skype number - Stephen Pickering

Francine, it's not just free Wifi -- it's also access to premium services, wall street journal, etc. - Cliff Gerrish

Amyloo: if Clear includes a myfi style router... then they're onto something - they'd love to let you test it at your favorite locations - Jerome Hughes

many grandmothers are using video chat - Jerome Hughes

J, i'm sure it would be just like going to a car dealer for me, Once i have the fever it might as well be a done deal - Amyloo

Jerome - I keep a mi-fi. Oh, and I'm a grandmother who uses videochat. - Francine Hardaway

Corporate video chat has always been terrible. Unusable. If someone makes it easy -- it'll be a hit. - Cliff Gerrish

Francine, exactly, and you're more like Robert than those was referring to - Jerome Hughes

Part of the appeal of FaceTime is that identity is baked in to the phone number -- no extra sign ups. - Cliff Gerrish

Body language - Francine Hardaway

I carry my Mi-Fi in my purse, so I could walk down the street and video chat. - Francine Hardaway

In fact, I'm going to try it when I get the new phone. - Francine Hardaway

Cliff, at my last company, we were a time zone away from corporate, and yet the expensive videoconferencing system in the boardroom went unused over my 3+ year stint - instead, we sat & listened to them (perhaps some managers interacted, but most of that was private phone in private office) on a speakerphone and shared a screen on the projector - Jerome Hughes

Jerome, that's because you need to call the audio-visual monitor to get the thing to work. It takes 30 minutes to start a meeting. - Cliff Gerrish

Probably no one knwq how to use it. - Francine Hardaway

Francine, how's the startup time on your mi-fi? - Jerome Hughes

Immediate, as far as I can tell - Francine Hardaway

My friends (non Geek) who have Androids all want iPhones - Francine Hardaway

believe it was more cultural, and that's what such tech is up against in many places - these things are making the decisions more personal ones - Jerome Hughes

As travel budgets are cut -- people are having to learn how to use video to bring in remote stakeholders. - Cliff Gerrish

It's not where you are, it's who you're with - Francine Hardaway

Didn't Maria Muldaur do a song about that? - Cliff Gerrish

of course - Francine Hardaway

Or was it CSNY? - Cliff Gerrish

The video editor was put there ONLY to make Robert's videos shorter - Francine Hardaway

Hah! - Robert Scoble

Francine: actually, there's some truth to that. It's hard to upload an HD video. So, if you want to upload it you gotta make it shorter. - Robert Scoble

Desktop not going away, go look at a 27" Imac with an i7 and then tell me - Stephen Pickering

just the tasty bits - Jerome Hughes

Stephen: I have an iMac. - Robert Scoble

In fact, my iMac has a separate 24-inch monitor. - Robert Scoble

As mobile improves in performance, desktop and laptops will improve as much and always stay ahead - Stephen Pickering

See you soon Robert and Steve - Francine Hardaway

Love that glass. - Robert Scoble

stephen, not going away but losing dominance, more of an elite choice - Jerome Hughes

See ya Francine! - Robert Scoble

Yeah, but do you have an iMac with an i7 processor? :-) - Stephen Pickering

It's more powerful than the Pro Mac - Stephen Pickering

Stephen. Sorta. My iMac has an i5, but my laptop has an i7 and I can use the iMac as a display for my MacBookPro. - Robert Scoble

not yet, just a mobile 2.4 C2D & 6 local lessers well distributed (love teleport) - Jerome Hughes

Cool, but what I'm saying is Desktops and Laptops will follow the same trajectory as mobile, and do more and more amazing things - Stephen Pickering

agree, and believe they'll do those things less and less for the mass market (normal people who don't get the hot rod anyway) as they're being disrupted there by mobile devices, especially among those younger than most of us - ok, one lesser isn't, it's a 24" 3.0whatever - Jerome Hughes

The network is the while deal for me; this year allmy work is out of the country and all data is roaming (15-19 a Meg). Very dependant on free wifi. On job site and certain hotel chains it works great; only use 3G when absolutely needed. Keeps the monthly bill under $500 a month no matter the carrier. - Aron Michalski

bet you go through some dark time where it's emergency only, then, huh? - Jerome Hughes

If someone calls,the phone is on. - Aron Michalski

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