GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT

Here - Keith Teare

For the English contingent, Football Half Time - England 3 - 0 Moldova - Scott Jordan

Nice Danny Welbeck goal - Keith Teare

Only ONE Brit scheduled to do the show today, Scott. - Tina Chase Gillmor

Yes, but Ukraine will be the real test for England - Tom Guarriello

hello gangers, nice to hear we're having the show today. - flyinthesoup

keith, let's get back to the challenge of mixing conversations into streams ? - flyinthesoup

Hello all y'all. we are starting to load the horses into the gate ;-) - Tina Chase Gillmor

Up to Steve - happy to go there - Keith Teare

yes, as he finished last show pretending he has the answer, he has to come up with it today, instead of just taking you down. - flyinthesoup

I'm listening - Francine Hardaway

and hopefully we're not just talking endlessly about how push notifications is going to be THE thing and nothing else matters - flyinthesoup

MagicJack app on android drains your battery in hours as it keeps a connection active rather than using push notifications. Removed.... - Murray Macdonald

Sorry I was a little late. Hanging out now. - Robert Scoble

Watch the watches. Fad or flop? - Murray Macdonald

it seems the safe ways to do it are either implementing it via C2DM or you have to implement a polling strategy to do it nicely ( exponentialy ) not to drain the battery - flyinthesoup

Why can't I see friendfeed in the sidebar, using Chrome - Scott Jordan

...and... - Tom Guarriello

Polling is a non-starter. A single byte over the radio turns it on for 60-120 seconds depending on the network. - Murray Macdonald

England 4 - Scott Jordan

but you can only issue a notification from your app, so either it fetches something from the network or you have some offline generated notification issued by some running service on Android - flyinthesoup

one more and we are off to the races - Tina Chase Gillmor

It's the server than needs to reach the client when a call is incoming. - Murray Macdonald

we use exponentially timed polling, which regulates the intervals to fetch data depending on the time between the updates in the server - flyinthesoup

in order for the server to reach the client, the client must be listening... - flyinthesoup

here we go - flyinthesoup

he's specialized in putting up with your jokes Steve - flyinthesoup

LOL - Tony Stanislawski

Aloha! - Nir Ben Yona

what do you mean by apple model ? - flyinthesoup

http://techcrunch.com/2013... our show link on TC - Tina Chase Gillmor

how hard was Ballmer pushed? - Tom Guarriello

maybe Nokia said "we're only joining MS if Ballmer is not there" :o - Charlie Isaacs

They need change. Radical change is their best bet. - Murray Macdonald

the market is changing it anyway, it's not only up to one CEO's will - flyinthesoup

how long do you believe it will take for MS to reposition with the best of breed CEO ? - flyinthesoup

@Keith, which company did you run? - J.C. Bouvier

realnames - Keith Teare

Ah, nice. - J.C. Bouvier

Surely MS have engineers who understand these emerging markets and innovative products in the back room. Too few ideas make it to being products. For years they have one of the world's best computer vision teams, but where are the products? - Murray Macdonald

Why doesn't microsoft drop consumer and just become IBM 2.0? - Matthew Voshell

Ballmer is too arrogant - Moe Glitz

Hello from Northern Ireland. Looking forward tonights show, only came across Gilmore Gang last week. Great show - Darren James

Welcome aboard Darren from Ireland - Tina Chase Gillmor

Welcome Darren! Great Show - Tony Stanislawski

Right, John. And then the talent doesn't want to work there... - Tom Guarriello

welcome Darren! - Charlie Isaacs

how long will it take in the best case to turn it around ? - flyinthesoup

Robet, tell us a little bit about the hybrid cloud effects - flyinthesoup

Why not be a single business umbrella with independently operated divisions each determining their own direction? - Murray Macdonald

@Robert, instead of the consumer focused stuff, the business is attached to the IT Stack - flyinthesoup

Problem is, most consumers feel that Microsoft is still in the PC World - Moe Glitz

MS on Android would get me excited. - Murray Macdonald

They need to become cool again. They are losing the xbox one vs. Playstation 4 battle to the kool kids... - Tony Stanislawski

The Enterprise will come to everyone -- to everyone's smartphone, tablet. They will expect help everywhere they are, any time, from an expert. The Cloud Enterprise infrastructure will support this. - Charlie Isaacs

He said software - Tom Guarriello

I disagree. People buy platforms. - Murray Macdonald

I think it's Both, Jobs always said software+hardware not just one - Matthew Voshell

What's the best piece of hardware MS ever built? - Tom Guarriello

Samsung, LG, Asus, whatever... Other than the camera apps, they're basically the same, - Murray Macdonald

Brilliant Hat-trick from Ronaldo, for all Footie Fans - Moe Glitz

The MS Mouse - Murray Macdonald

Thats how hnrey ford become sucessful - Matthew Voshell

first bullshit of the show ;-) - Tina Chase Gillmor

Good one, @Murray - Tom Guarriello

let's stop baching MS because of the registry and PCs. Let's account to the IT Stack transition to Cloud Enterprise infrastructure - flyinthesoup

The famous "Burning Platform"... - Tom Guarriello

MS have amazing scientist and technologies. They have one of the best computer vision teams on earth. - Murray Macdonald

@Robert, it's not as linear as MSFT having built a tablet, Apple took the time to allow iPhone to distribute the user grammar - the gestures. He himself said the iPad had been ready before the iPhone...but they realized they had a better shot at the consumer education using w/the phone...and then the learnings from the phone would allow for the smaller consumer leap to the iPad/surface computing... - J.C. Bouvier

hey Tina do you have a gamification console for that? - Charlie Isaacs

Charles Atlas - Moe Glitz

Major Nelson for PR, not really identified as a MS guy - Tony Stanislawski

J.C. Bouvier ++ - Murray Macdonald

charlie - what? the swearing? - Tina Chase Gillmor

yep Tina :) - Charlie Isaacs

Community property FTW, Robert! - Tom Guarriello

Why can google run diverse divisions that innovate while MS cannot? - Murray Macdonald

IBeacon Robert - Moe Glitz

Google are also now attacking the Windows market with Chromium and the announcement of Apps on the desktop - Scott Jordan

Devices are vertically integrated. - Ian Waring

sounds like Scoble just had a technological divorce :-p - Charlie Isaacs

Services horizontal - Ian Waring

yeah, the chat room used to drink on first swear, Beatles reference, track ref, etc - Tina Chase Gillmor

I thought Google Glass works with IPhone just not directions. That better change when it goes retail - Tony Stanislawski

Doesn't hardware always drive software? Capability is what developers build on, right? - Tom Guarriello

Heavy Metal - Moe Glitz

So Microsofts stated strategy device+services = vertical+horizontal - not clever! - Ian Waring

i played with a surface yesterday for an hour and the touche screen is AWFUL... what is the charger? and then when i wanted to change settings i had to dig for 20 min - Matthew Voshell

http://www.cnbc.com/id... - Tony Stanislawski

google glass does work with iphone, but not all features - Keith Teare

Any BT headset is a BT headset. Hardware (heart rate sensors) will become generic through drivers. Sensors will need to standardize, then software will be cross-vendor and hardware agnostic. - Murray Macdonald

Cramer agree with @Scoble - Tony Stanislawski

turn bu turn doesn't work for example - Keith Teare

Silicone Valley does not embrace MS - Tina Chase Gillmor

holy scoble tangent - Matthew Voshell

Windows have a WONDERFUL development suite. It's the target (mobile device) that no one wants to develop for. The tools they have are great, and there are millions of Visual Studio developers out there. The problem is the target. Imagine Visual Studio for Android. - Murray Macdonald

it's CRUCIAL to think way, way ahead. it's not only about HW/SW. ChromeOS is going to kill all that is left from microsoft - flyinthesoup

Keith: right. iPhone doesnt' work with Glass's 100% features. - Robert Scoble

What about this...http://news.cnet.com/8301-10... - Tony Stanislawski

Austin Powers - Moe Glitz

Farber has locked up - Tina Chase Gillmor

Since 2007, Google gave me 6 phones, Microsoft sent me a copy of Windows - clive boulton

Google glass will be illegal to wear in vehicles here in the UK. Interested to here Robs views on that - Darren James

Murray: right. Developer tools aren't enough. - Robert Scoble

Farber always locks up - Tom Guarriello

Clive: good point! - Robert Scoble

Darren: stupid stupid law. Looking at Glass is FAR safer than using your car's navigation system. - Robert Scoble

Easy, Robert. Brains get distracted by lots of things, not just what's in your hand - Tom Guarriello

Scoble to head Microsoft - Tina Chase Gillmor

Robert: I agree. They have them in spades. They lack a desirable development target. - Murray Macdonald

Used Google Drive spreadsheets yesterday, quick office now integrated. Works beautifully. I'm off Excel now. ChromeOS coming in underneath. full suite $5/month. - Ian Waring

Jack Welch said it: if you're not #1 or #2 in your market, you're gone - Tom Guarriello

That's great. "People don't want to appear stupid". It's so true. - Murray Macdonald

people are stupid - flyinthesoup

That's because developers picked their devices years ago. As an experienced programmer it takes time to become proficient as a developer on a new platform. Current capable developers chose their platforms many months ago. - Murray Macdonald

Free would work for MS - Tony Stanislawski

It's not just developers. I was first in line for an iPhone. Literally. I am not a developer. - Robert Scoble

Who could MS displace? Apple? Impossible. Google? Never. They're doomed to at best #3 - Tom Guarriello

The future of Microsoft Part 4. - Moe Glitz

Are we going to talk about google's new chrome OS native apps? http://techland.time.com/2013... - Matthew Voshell

MS has to reorganize to comeback many years in the future - flyinthesoup

Services need ubiquity, run across all devices. - Ian Waring

OK. Robert, you HAVE to give up thinking San Francisco is the world. My former foster kids wouldn't know an ecosystem from a bag of potato chips; they buy what their carrier has, and if it's cheap. They also don't think about risk - Francine Hardaway

Francine: sorry, it just is clearer and clearer that if you don't win San Francisco you don't win the world. More accurately, though, is that you need to win the entire world all at once, but San Francisco is still key. Look at Uber. - Robert Scoble

Apple made bets and they won big - Moe Glitz

Devices need to Coopt rest of the value chain, vertical integration. - Ian Waring

X-Box will be dented majorly by Chromecast + Tablets. - Ian Waring

Look at Samsung. They just opened a huge lab and incubator in Palo Alto/SF. - Robert Scoble

@Ian: Apple and Google are holding tightly to notifications and will not allow generic cross compatibility. They will do all they can to hold onto their proprietary channels and lock in users. - Murray Macdonald

Moe - i noticed you use the iPhone for the chat - Tina Chase Gillmor

Apple on their own devices. Google Services across all major platforms. - Ian Waring

Microsoft can do a Helicopter Bernanke, drop baskets of phones to developers - clive boulton

Many phone consumers are unsophisticated. - Murray Macdonald

MS Technical DEBT is HUGE - flyinthesoup

I try to live in my own little San Fran here in Milwaukee and promote it..:) - Tony Stanislawski

drat, I was detained.....missing 45 minutes.....here now....guess I'll check out the archive later - Dale Lature

Robert so cute. He's taken to raising his hand when he wants to say something - Tina Chase Gillmor

Have you talked Beacons yet? - Ludwig Ederle

Ludwig just a little bit. - Robert Scoble

Why do you need to cut it up and change the name? Sounds like a huge distraction. What is really required is divisional autonomy each setting their own direction. - Murray Macdonald

How about this out of the box idea: MSFT should fund a small, disruptive company that isn't in Seattle, and just keep it going while it grows. That way it can milk its existing businesses and still make something new happen. - Francine Hardaway

15% of IBMs revenue is hardware now... - Ian Waring

Branding does go a long way too... everyone does it, why do you buy lucky charms over the market genereic? the same in tech is true - Matthew Voshell

we started a little late Dale - Tina Chase Gillmor

Providing money wuarterly to the market is going to kill MS - flyinthesoup

Francine: great. - Robert Scoble

Samsung & Qualcomm is the next one - flyinthesoup

flyinthesoup they can do that with their existing businesses - Francine Hardaway

I am curious how beacons will play out next Tuesday - Ludwig Ederle

Until we know who the new head of Microsoft is going to be all these arguments are rather moot - Scott Jordan

Francine growth and future through acquisition - Tina Chase Gillmor

Right, Tina. Buy don't build. - Francine Hardaway

@Francine, the enery they need to turn research in to a new winning set of products is going to suck it all - flyinthesoup

cheaper to buy than reinvent the wheel - Matthew Voshell

I'll talk beacons. The existing BT4 stack on android doesn't allow signal strength detection (required for distance and beacon triangulation) except during the initial device scanning stage. Once a connection is established, you don't get signal strength updates until you disconnect and rescan. - Murray Macdonald

Love that Idea Steve! Lets do it... - Tony Stanislawski

Yup, that's right, Steve. We're oblivious to the implications of the sensors - Tom Guarriello

If you can't defeat your competition, buy them - Matthew Voshell

This would be fun: everybody is rushing into smart watches in anticipation of apple - except apple - Ludwig Ederle

the "buy your success" strategy is not going to solve it - flyinthesoup

Height of rudeness is looking at your watch in meetings - Ian Waring

Apple is running into beacons - Ludwig Ederle

neither for Yahoo, nor for Salesforce, and not for MS - flyinthesoup

Sore subject with me this week, those sensors. Glass, Jawbone and Pebble all gave out on me, and FuelBand no longer accurate. - Francine Hardaway

Ouch, Francine - Tom Guarriello

I was thinking that about the fingers too! - Laura Norvig

Well, apple is not really great when it comes to cloud - Ludwig Ederle

@Robert, ha ha ha...that's great stuff... - J.C. Bouvier

You could always hold a mirror up to them to figure out if theyre alive - Francine Hardaway

Fitbit in the washing machine thought I'd done a Marathon - Ian Waring

Why don't we take into account a much better positioned company like Salesforce having to make a quick change into their strategy with ChatterBOX offering - flyinthesoup

Under My Thumb - Moe Glitz

Francine: Windows used to crash every hour too. :-) - Robert Scoble

BIO is really easy to steal.. get a knife, RObert that Tech is SOOO expensive... - Matthew Voshell

Fingerprints are the wrong biometric marker. - Murray Macdonald

plus BIO has tons of Type I/II errors - Matthew Voshell

I remember - Francine Hardaway

well, you can kind of fake it ;-) - Tina Chase Gillmor

Mission Impossible 2.0 - Ludwig Ederle

Oracle buys Blackberry "unbreakable" - clive boulton

That's why I switched to Apple - Francine Hardaway

Title of the show...They have to be excited about themselves... - Tony Stanislawski

I was impressed when my fitbit survived the washer and dryer - Laura Norvig

Mercedes used to have a fingerprint sensor until robbers started cutting fingers off - Ian Waring

That's what's wrong with fitbit. You lose it in the wash - Francine Hardaway

I drove over my Misfit Shine and it gave it a wonderful weather looked - Matthew Voshell

My fingerprints won't identify me anymore at the gym - Francine Hardaway

Hang your shine around your neck Matthew - Francine Hardaway

There already is an apple tv - Ludwig Ederle

Steve - did you receive this link from me this morning. Beatles a capella: http://dangerousminds.net/comment... - Ed Schlesinger

Just a new remote for search would be modern. - Arnie Klaus

Chromecast will overtake Kinect as the fastest new consumer product to 10m units... - Ian Waring

There are only 13m Apple TVs out there - Ian Waring

I feel a bit weird about the finger print thing, in relation to the NSA/security business. - Hilary Talbot

"This should brighten everyone's day" - I'm not sure this portends a turning point announcement for Apple...this is about the holiday quarter... - J.C. Bouvier

My wife wants a gold 5S - Ian Waring

What about this aussie kid, SonnieDickson and his ability to get his hands on apple products not even released - Darren James

A Contextual Network, Robert - Moe Glitz

im due for a phone upgrade... gold or not - Tina Chase Gillmor

Chromecast API does the same... - Ian Waring

It will get fixed, three iterations later - Francine Hardaway

A dog can tell if you have cancer. I have three of them. - Francine Hardaway

With beacons you could restrict your device to your known locations (home, car, office, your shirt, etc...) - Murray Macdonald

"iOS 7 will ship w/the 5S on 9/24" Yes or No? - J.C. Bouvier

Robert's Personal Cloud timing is spot on (if Tim Cook misses this cue he's toast) - clive boulton

But Robert, that what has been said about all our other privacy measures in the past! - Hilary Talbot

If "the future" were a woman i think scoble would have facebook stalked and takin pictures of her with his google glass.. ha - Matthew Voshell

I'm going to watch Apple on Tuesday, and if it isn't cool, I'm getting a MotoX. - Francine Hardaway

@J.C. history would suggest Yes - Matthew Voshell

History has proven there's a way to fake everything. - Murray Macdonald

KitKat is a product placement - Francine Hardaway

Beta is pretty ironed out - Matthew Voshell

Moto X is only good for 6% of the world in the USA. - Ian Waring

What iOS 7 release is out right now - Ludwig Ederle

Francine is about to jump ship? - Tina Chase Gillmor

IMHO, iOS 7 + color backs + a bit less incentive to steal the phone from owners in developing markets = gold Jerry, GOLD!! - J.C. Bouvier

The new devices do not represent the fragmentation problem. It's the old low end devices. - Murray Macdonald

I've come to really like Android - Francine Hardaway

And I can live in more than one ecosystem - Francine Hardaway

The data from my pancreas is fascinating.No, wait, it isn't. - Aron Michalski

Aronski, welcome home. - Francine Hardaway

Aron... lol - Tina Chase Gillmor

None of my data is either new OR interesting - Francine Hardaway

Gotta go guys, enjoy the weekend all! - J.C. Bouvier

Steve: Try something else regardless, just to be well-rounded. Live the other for 3 months like Robert did. I force myself to use that "other" platform every month or so. - Murray Macdonald

John T is bored - Tina Chase Gillmor

@Steve... that swipe up feature is KILLER!! I use it ALOT - Matthew Voshell

Murray, I agree. And now I have both Chromecast AND AppleTV - Francine Hardaway

Always watch the show from the UK to pick up on what's new - thanks for turning us on to iBeacons, just pre-ordered a bunch from Estimote - looking forward to trying them out :-) - Matt Hicks

Mavericks + Haswell set to improve battery life immensely - Darren James

Chrome apps on ChromeOS very impressive btw... atop Android or anything else - Ian Waring

little touches are cool, but where is your ideology of an open world Steve ? - flyinthesoup

Not bored as much as recovering from being kicked in the head for hours last night (Daughter) - John Taschek

I was just at Verizon thinking about an upgrade to either an Android or apple device. I walked out with nothing because the only reason I would NOT get an iPhone is because its ANOTHER Apple device. Not a good reason to buy Android. - Ed Schlesinger

name the show - Tina Chase Gillmor

Everybody is ready to bail. - Aron Michalski

Mavericks and Haswell sound like British accountants - Francine Hardaway

Francine: I'm jealous. Can't get chromecast in Canada. I run Android 4.2 on a noname stick behind my TV. - Murray Macdonald

Proof that FriendFeed is dead. - Akiva

Chromecast is a very smooth experience - Francine Hardaway

My 2nd Chromecast just shipped. Like it a lot - Tom Guarriello

Love mine - works fine in the UK here - Ian Waring

I've been wondering if gold has been chosen for the iphone partly because it's such an attractive colour in Asian cultures - Hilary Talbot

Apple is not the same without Steve Jobs. - Moe Glitz

Name: Microsoft bought who? - Matthew Voshell

Lucky. Both Glass and Chromecast are not available in Canada. - Murray Macdonald

@Francine I have a Roku, would i like a chromcast? - Matthew Voshell

Moe, I believe that - Francine Hardaway

MS Lync is amazing. Use it everyday with remote coworkers. - Murray Macdonald

Matthew, I don't have a Roku, so can't tell you. Chromecast does much less right now - Francine Hardaway

Apple default enterprise device is a huge statement from John - Tom Guarriello

Services is the market that Apple needs to go after - Moe Glitz

Moe, what about the Apple Store, they gives the best services - Francine Hardaway

No one writes code on a phone or a tablet... Strange, isn't it. - Murray Macdonald

Apple = devices. Only service multi platform is iTunes. - Ian Waring

Are you using Instapaper, Pocket or other, Steve? - Tom Guarriello

Happy Jewish New Year to all - Tina Chase Gillmor

Google will keep innovating. - Murray Macdonald

and happy anniversary to Steve (from me) - Tina Chase Gillmor

Wow, Dan, that's fascinating - Francine Hardaway

Ballmer put a strait-jacket around his successor tighter than Steve Jobs did - clive boulton

Congrats, Tina & Steve - Tom Guarriello

Happy Anniversary Tina and Steve, l'shana tovah - Francine Hardaway

thanks Tom. 55 years now ;- - Tina Chase Gillmor

Congrats T&S Gillmor - christina sponselli

True Francine, but some new Services that show the true potential of the iPad - Moe Glitz

My wife Karen and I celebrate 30 years next month - Tom Guarriello

mazel tov! - Ed Schlesinger

Congratulations. - Murray Macdonald

Shoutout to Tina! - christina sponselli

i predict imessage becomes multi-platform - Keith Teare

Happy Anniversary - Moe Glitz

if my wife allows me -I'm at 33 years in 5 weeks. - Ed Schlesinger

Houdini for next Microsoft CEO - clive boulton

Glad you are back on the Gang, Dan - Francine Hardaway

i'm coming up on my 1 year aniversary! - Matthew Voshell

We're smart - Francine Hardaway

yes! happy new year! - Ed Schlesinger

congratulations, Steve and Tina - Hilary Talbot

thanks everyone - Tina Chase Gillmor

take a listen to that link ... I think you will love it. Happy anniversary - Ed Schlesinger

Thanks. Great show. - Ian Waring

thanks to everyone.... always a good, smart time - Tina Chase Gillmor

Hey guys, Happy Anniversary to all celebrating. Also, Happy New Year, etc. l'shana tovah and sorry I got yanked away for the last 30 minutes on a call, will have to catch the recording - Charlie Isaacs

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