Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1p

no feed yet? - Richard

Not yet - starting "fashionably late", it appears - Rob La Gesse

PubSubHubbub sounds even better in @julien51's French accent - Kevin Marks

DAmmit! - Julien

Wish my Skype worked... tried 5 different connections to no avail. :( - Brett Slatkin

Good afternoon. - Darren

Shame, Brett. We should have a chat about open video standards sometime... - Kevin Marks

it's been interesting to see microsoft pick this up: http://windowsteamblog.com/windows... - Kevin Marks

I assume others having issues with the audio/video? - Darren

looks like some bandwidth constraints, yes - Kevin Marks

Yes, the Internet is "fucked" - Rob La Gesse

Keep getting drops here too; maybe there's a netsplit somewhere? B-) - Brett Slatkin

Shame. Looked like a great group and range of topics. - Darren

cant get a video feed at all now - says it's "Off Air" - zeroinfluencer

It is still being recorded and will be available in a couple days, right here on building43. - Rob La Gesse

@Brett see if you can arrange a netjoin plz/thx. - Darren

;) - Darren

Steve, next time you're going to discuss Activity Streams or Salmon, I'd love an invite! - Darren

says @julien51 a feed need not be all the same - the entries can be different things - Activity Streams - Kevin Marks

whats the Cliqset take on replicating twitter and facebook, Darren? - Kevin Marks

i think i fixed the netsplit - Brett Slatkin

on skype now.... - Brett Slatkin

Getting a stable video feed now - zeroinfluencer

So I didn't hear the context. Do you mean replicating the content in the feeds we emit? - Darren

Darren - yes, replicating twitter information seems problematic for MSFT and GOOG - Kevin Marks

One of the original goals of AS was to provide attribution and maintain reference to the originating source. We abide by and support that in all cases. - Darren

So while the data may be the same, de-duplicating should get easier as we get better and re-syndication. - Darren

Though not all parties abide by that due to their own internal architecture. GOOG is one of those I think. Re: maintaining Atom IDs. - Darren

Though it does exist elsewhere in the Atom entry. Not sure on JS right now. - Darren

I don't think google's Atom parser is dealing correctly with Source at the moment - @t was showing me problems from his feed - Kevin Marks

So there we go. I have audio/video in Chrome. - Darren

Brett and Julien look like they were hacking all night. - Darren

Darren : maybe we did! - Julien

I need to grow my hair longer to keep up with Julien and Brett, clearly - Kevin Marks

I love how Steve has completely ignored Cliqset as a service. - Darren

No, actually I hate it. - Darren

ala, Salmon? - Darren

Salmon: http://vimeo.com/13349184 - Darren

is Cliqset using Salmon? - Brian Hendrickson

Yes. - Darren

We support inbound and outbound Salmon exchange. - Darren

The Vimeo video I just linked is a brief example of Salmon exchange with Status.net. - Darren

Steve's "real-time" video is playing right now but I suppose multi-video viewing is an option - Brian Hendrickson

Darren, getting better comments flow from Buzz would be good too - Kevin Marks

Kevin, very soon. Very very soon. - Darren

Chris Messina mentioned "private APIs", will Cliqset and/or Superfeedr help a user use his "friends timelines" from multiple services? - Brian Hendrickson

Brian, can you clarify a bit? - Darren

I think it's time for a massive "Rome wasn't built in a day!" - Julien

re: salmon, don't forget the draft I sent out the other day - crypto-free private messaging over pshb. :) (sorry, the video isn't working for me, so I have no idea what you're *actually* talking about) - Blaine

yeah blaine reading through it - Brett Slatkin

see you sunday! - Brett Slatkin

@blaine and @jyri had twitter/jaiku interop working over 2 years ago... @twitter dropped that ball - Kevin Marks

Unfortunately I can't attend but Charlie is. - Darren

bummer; but that's okay - Brett Slatkin

brett: :-D I'm stoked. Glad you'll be there. darren: We'll make sure everyone's voice gets heard. Except Julien's. Because he's too busy to hang out with us. :-p - Blaine

haha - Brett Slatkin

kevin: not @jyri, ralph meijer (who was tech lead on jaiku at the time) and I. But yeah, sadness. - Blaine

Re: what Steve was saying. I personally believe Salmon is the single most important component of the DiSo stack and it's the one that seems to be getting the least attention. - Darren

Darren: TweetDeck and Seesmic tie Facebook and Twitter together, I'm wondering can Cliqset/Superfeedr and standards like activitystrea.ms help users and/or developers tie those particular "private" APIs together, in other words the authenticated view (friends_timeline on Twitter) of one's friends updates etc. - Brian Hendrickson

Darren: I agree, but I think the framing on Salmon is wrong. The pattern isn't just for commenting, and framing it like that limits its usefulness. - Blaine

Blaine : I'll be on a plane! Ill be following it from the air! - Julien

brian: this is what salmon *should* do, and what the draft I sent out the other day proposes. I'm convinced that public-content-only PSHB isn't interesting – once we mix in private data, then things get interesting. - Blaine

@Brett, agreed. - Darren

@Brian, we sort of do that today. Cliqset supports open standards, but we also integrate with proprietary APIs. We then provide APIs of our own (standards based and proprietary) to allow developers to integrate not only with Cliqset, but the services we support downstream. - Darren

disconcerting zeros in the Internet Traffic Report: http://www.internettrafficreport.com/nameric... - Kevin Marks

how close is Google's 'latest' search to track, steve? eg Steve Jobs: http://bit.ly/9ojR6X - Kevin Marks

@darren - Funny, I was just working on my DiSo presentation for Sunday and trying to figure out where Salmon fit. - Steve Ivy

Tantek was asking about hAtom support in PubSubHubbub... - Kevin Marks

yep we've talked about hAtom it's in the queue - Brett Slatkin

What would that look like, @brett? - Steve Ivy

basically a <link> tag in the html declaring the hub, and the rest of the protocol working basically the same - Brett Slatkin

conversion into atom XML at the hub would be optional - Brett Slatkin

@brett - now that's what I'm talking about. open, easy to implement, and rooted in the HTML doc. - Steve Ivy

this ties into the "pubsubhubbub for arbitrary content types" that monica is pushing forward: http://code.google.com/p... (draft) - Brett Slatkin

brett: when do arbitrary content types land? - Blaine

they're not ready yet i don't think; there are security issues wrt the content payload - Brett Slatkin

we haven't figured out how to preserve http headers for passing through the messages, which is necessary for content types that are not fully self-describing - Brett Slatkin

alright i need to eat ttyl guys! see some folks sunday sunday sunday - Brett Slatkin

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