Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST

Leaving Oracle to cozy up to RIM after securing rights to Android. - clive boulton

who'son today? - dlature

I am - Kevin Marks

I am, waiting for the famous Skype call... - Robert Scoble

Hi everybody. Happy revolution. - Amyloo

I think I'm on. Literally but perhaps not figuratively. - John Taschek

Amyloo: which one? The one in Egypt or the one in Nokia? This is the Gillmor Gang! :-) - Robert Scoble

I figure it's always safe to assume the GG as defined by Steve can very well include politics, music and comedy. - Amyloo

Overthrowing dictators is only slightly more important than phone vendor sports, Robert ;p - Michael Breslin

Amyloo: politics, music, and comedy pretty much explains what's going on inside Nokia. :-) - Robert Scoble

so then happy turkey day? - Ankush Narula

If the army is running things. That doesn't sound much more positive, does it? - Stephen Pickering

Happy revolutionary day! - Robert Scoble

Who knows how either of these stories will turn out? o_O - coldbrew

lol...they say Apple kicked their ass and then do a deal with MSFT? - Karoli

Scoble, who is the dictator? Microsoft? - Matt Terenzio

Not sure I'd like the idea of the U.S. Army taking control but . . . - Matt Terenzio

Nokia's market cap is 35 billion - Stephen Pickering

I'm sure it used to be north of 100 billion - Stephen Pickering

Nokia's existing developer community will now move to Android - not Windows Phone 7. - Ankush Narula

Ankush: the Nokia developer community is irrelevant. If they WERE relevant we would be using Nokia devices. - Robert Scoble

There is certainly a good chance this partnership can work. MS shows a willingness to throw large amounts of cash, but NOK does seem to be throwing in the towel. - coldbrew

I don't get this whole internet + call stuff, I have a Droid Incredible and have basically never wanted to do that. - Eric Florenzano

Apple and Google absolutely need each other equally. They are like two stars in a dual star system locked in a gravitational dance - Stephen Pickering

Ankush: and, anyway, WinPhone7 has better developer tools. - Robert Scoble

Apple needs Google's data, Google needs Apple's distribution - Stephen Pickering

Lost connection - Robert Scoble

Call me back Tina... - Robert Scoble

Robert: It's a big culture shift - essentially Nokia is becoming Microsoft Jr. by dumping all of their platforms and tools. Won't this won't cause a shakeup internally at Nokia and with Nokia's partners? - Ankush Narula

If either Apple or Google got rid of each other, they would lose too much credibility in the marketplace - Stephen Pickering

I'm not arguing against the merits of WP7 - Ankush Narula

I've had this computer for months and just had to install silverlight. That speaks volumes of Silverlight lack of traction. - Matt Terenzio

whats silverlight? :P - Nick Halstead

Great comments, Ankush and Stephen - John Taschek

HP went the other way - Ankush Narula

Thanks John! :-) - Stephen Pickering

Thanks John - Ankush Narula

OpenOffice really needs a lot of work...it's really still not there yet. - Eric Florenzano

Florenzano: Only if you need some of the more advanced excel functions. - coldbrew

coldbrew: I dunno, I find every time I need to use it, I run into something weird that I can't quite do properly in OO. - Eric Florenzano

I dont buy into that Microsoft is going to get any App development traction - and without Apps its doomed - Nick Halstead

Nick: well, Angry Birds isn't on WinPhone7 - Robert Scoble

Nick: I wonder if IE9 will lend any credence to Microsoft's position on HTML5 vs Silverlight - Ankush Narula

Ankush: I've been told that inside Microsoft Silverlight is dead. Windows 8 will be a BIG bet on HTML5. - Robert Scoble

...and the cloud :) - coldbrew

Robert: I've heard similar sentiments - Ankush Narula

Ankush: but Silverlight will kick along for a few years, just like Visual Basic kicked along for a few years after they stopped caring about that. - Robert Scoble

Scoble: I'm pretty sure Silverlight is Windows Phone 7's main development platform, isn't it? - Eric Florenzano

"sure, you pay heavily for a fast internet connection that is always on, but servers are hard. Pay us a monthly fee. It is SO much easier" - coldbrew

:) - coldbrew

Silverlight is dead is a big story. But it makes sense for Microsoft to do this. - John Taschek

I would be surprised if they went all in on HTML5, but hell, that would be the kind of thing that's crazy enough to work...especially to get developers on board. - Eric Florenzano

In the 70s there three networks. Today there are two. hehehheh - Stephen Pickering

Does the death of silverlight mean that devs are already being redirected away from the silverlight WP7 toolkit? - John Taschek

Eric: for now, but it's clear that WinPhone7 will move toward HTML 5 in future. - Robert Scoble

BGR just posted that HP TouchPad planned for June, priced at $699? - Kenny

And so WP7, Android and webOS all seem to be aligning behind HTML5 apps. Even Bret Taylor is talking about killing native FB apps. - Ankush Narula

Shouldn't you differentiate among silverlight wpf AND .net? - coldbrew

Microsoft is now going to be run by engineers - so HTML5 fits in. http://doctordisruptive.wordpress.com/2011... - John Taschek

Kenny: Single SKU? Contract? - coldbrew

The only third party that would survive would be one that is lighter and faster, especially for mobile. - Aron Michalski

John: will the engineers publicly behead Steve Ballmer first? - Ankush Narula

Newsmix is another Flipboard like player by Sobees that's worth a look http://lifestreamblog.com/trunk-l... - Mark Krynsky

what evidence is there that people are aligning behind html5 apps? if anything it is the opposite... apps are very much still the most popular way to deploy for mobile - Jamie

coldbrew: it doesn't say. Just a quick small post no real details other then price and month. http://www.bgr.com/2011... - Kenny

Here we go, Links are dead again. ; ) - Matt Terenzio

Jamie: I'm speaking of deployment methodology as well as development tools. - Ankush Narula

Remember track via XMPP? - coldbrew

Are there clouds or fog in John T's location? ;-) - Aron Michalski

Why does John look like he's dial up using on a Webcam from 1990 :) Bad video - Kenny

John T is in an aquarium - Ankush Narula

track via XMPP...those were the hours... - Aron Michalski

heh, thanks for following my list, John! http://twitter.com/jromeh... - Jerome Hughes

I think Facebook's whole philosophy is that your friends need to become your filter on everything, and they think that hasn't happened yet for news. - Eric Florenzano

It looks like the Nokia sauna-cam... - Aron Michalski

asking the crowd, who else should be on that list ? :D - Jerome Hughes

I thought newtwitter took it clearly out of the social network category? - coldbrew

twitter is how I get a lot of my news - Kenny

For those of us normal people there is a huge lurk factor. - coldbrew

I have a pretty similar friends base on Twitter and Facebook (pretty geeky) and Twitter is by far more for sharing news/links whereas Facebook is more about personal status updates. This is in part because of how people treat the services differently. Facebook more about small private friends (reciprocal) vs. Twitter more open (public follows) - Mark Krynsky

I think my wife is running Pandora One and it sucked bandwidth. So I am in the fog and the aquarium, even though it's a sunny day in San Francisco! - John Taschek

people can't always tell twitter from facebook: http://www.someecards.com/2011... - Kevin Marks

Is John in Egypt? heheheheheh - Stephen Pickering

Kevin....hah awesome. - Mark Krynsky

Maybe John just is blurry -- even if you saw him in person. - Amyloo

:) - Kenny

Kevin: People can't tell Facebook from ReadWriteWeb :) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... - Eric Florenzano

Gillmor stubble: the return! Like it Steve, very rugged. - Denise Howell

John is Big Foot! http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Ankush Narula

Amyloo - yes - I have heard that before. - John Taschek

NGL could have done it ;-) - Aron Michalski

johnT must be in pacifica fog zone - clive boulton

Jerome, list looks good; I might prune it a bit rather than add... ;-) - Aron Michalski

Damn, I need to get upgrade my Polaroid "Land" webcam and get into the real world. - John Taschek

We should force Gabe to use a headphone. :-) - Robert Scoble

What is Gabe playing with that makes that weird noise? - Robert Scoble

It's the Dorian Gray model Logitech. - Aron Michalski

Google hired Social star Ed Chi - clive boulton

We should force Gillmor to get a razor ;) - Kenny

Sounds like prayer beads. - Denise Howell

I thought that was Elizabeth Taylor - Matt Terenzio

We had an audible potty flush today on TWiL; perhaps my proudest moment as a host. - Denise Howell

I just want to be a fly on the wall when Arrington has his first fight with Ms. Huffington - Ankush Narula

Well getting the Howard Fineman's to Huffpo, isn't that just play out of Citizen Kane's playbook? - Stephen Pickering

Google moving up social http://twitter.com/edchi... - clive boulton

http://twitter.com/#!... - Aron Michalski

I like Daily Beast as a competitor to huffpo on the writing side. - Denise Howell

I think they get a lot of traffic to their gossip stories. Gabe might have a idea of how much. - Amyloo

Denise: good point! - Robert Scoble

I can't read any of it. No idea about any of it. Pretty sure its barley tech related. - coldbrew

started off politically wonky, now has a fine crust of TMZ all over it... - Aron Michalski

thx, Aron! find it pretty useful, in a crude sort of way - Jerome Hughes

I'm using my essential list to generate a paper.li page... - Aron Michalski

All of a sudden I keep hearing about Readability. The other liberrians were just talking about it. - Laura Norvig

did John request anonymity today? - Kevin Marks

That's it; he's in witness protection!!! - Aron Michalski

Readability and Instapaper are essential these days. The web is cluttered with crappy layouts and terrible font choices. - Ankush Narula

Gillmor said I wasn't allowed to talk as much as usual today so I had to underground. I thought he meant literally. - John Taschek

Been using 2-step authentication for about 6 weeks - it's great. I've generated about 30 passwords for different apps and devices. - Ankush Narula

What's Last Pass? I heard good things about that - Stephen Pickering

That's a simple password manager. - coldbrew

I've used 1Password for a while now - Leah Culver

that's how I feel. I don't care if someone gets my stuff. All public anyway - Francine Hardaway

is Scoble using auto-tune? - Aron Michalski

i have an RSA key for my payroll, but it never works right - Francine Hardaway

Autotune?Is that like IamTPain? - Francine Hardaway

Aron: hahah! That would be fun to try! - Robert Scoble

Chatter UI/UX srlsy needs TLC - clive boulton

now we are talking about my world... - Aron Michalski

Auto tune the building43? :) - Eric Florenzano

If you can get away with just an iPad your not doing much work - Kenny

Francine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Aron Michalski

They can't buy RIM. RIM's too big - Stephen Pickering

They should buy HTC. - Eric Florenzano

RIM has grown 20 per cent per quarter in the last 4 years right in the teeth of Apple and Android - Stephen Pickering

RIMs market cap is 33bn... MS have more than that in csh. - Jamie

Oracle buys RIM after Larry lawyers beat up Googles for Android. - clive boulton

Yeah, so they're gonna give all their cash away to have a metal bender? - Stephen Pickering

very soft focus - Jerome Hughes

I just don't see that RIM is losing - I see Blackberries everywhere and I see them selling all the time. Not to mention that they're pretty entrenched in government and enterprise. - Ankush Narula

Too late -- biz already moving to Android. At least according to my workplace mobile stats. - Amyloo

Buying HTC would not only stunt Android's largest OEM, but HTC has proven that they're competent and well-led. - Eric Florenzano

He's using Cher's cinematographer... - Aron Michalski

not saying they will do it - but the idea that RIM is too big is false. - Jamie

borders going bankrupt, good job ebooks! - Michael Breslin

BlackBerries > BlackOracles - clive boulton

33bn is two years cash - Jamie

RIM just keeps growing like crazy. 1 billion in after tax profits last quarter - Stephen Pickering

SP: exactly - Ankush Narula

Aro nski I think that's the tech behind I am TPain - Francine Hardaway

cliveb: check it out, thoughts? http://www.eweek.com/c... - Kenny

HP seems to be targeting RIm more so than others. cliveb: I like that oracle/rim possible partnership idea. - coldbrew

the range of Android is easily from $29 to $500, and still android makes about $7 a head. - Aron Michalski

Android's notification is way better than iphone - Stephen Pickering

iphone's notification awful - Kenny

they already do use webkit dont they? - Jamie

They have moved to WebKit - the Torch - Ankush Narula

and the bulk of RIMs audience is actually NOT enterprise, but consumer. ppl underestimate bbm - Jamie

Kenny - IcedRobot fork, yes. But Google will cave to Oracle. - clive boulton

Francine, yes it is, as an effect but it is mainly to repair the humanity of the human voice. Watch Glee and see how much soul is sucked out of it by productions decision to run it through the software. - Aron Michalski

Won't Blackberry become less relevant as e-mail use declines? - Amyloo

Exactly. Google and Apple need each other - Stephen Pickering

cliveb: really? hmmm, it'll be interesting - Kenny

I agree with Robert - RIM/Microsoft would be pretty strong - Ankush Narula

yeah and google is broke - lol - Kenny

the cream, the cream, it's on the shelf! - Jerome Hughes

Ankush: RIM/Microsoft/Nokia. :-) - Robert Scoble

If RIM is a loser, I'd love to be a loser. They are doing gangbusters. Look at their financials - Stephen Pickering

Robert: yup - Ankush Narula

Rimsoftia? - John Taschek

JT: Sounds dirty - Ankush Narula

Stephen - have heard the same said of MS here many times - Jerome Hughes

Micrimia? - John Taschek

Stephen: be careful, you gotta read them the right way. RIM is in deep trouble, just like Nokia is. - Robert Scoble

The dumbphone market will go along with my @cgerrish discussion, the off the grid/on the grid one, where identity and legality will blip on and off. - Aron Michalski

RIM OS is what 18 yrs old... - clive boulton

What semi is Oracle going after? Larry said he would acquire? - coldbrew

cliveb: I think QNX is RIM's current bet - Ankush Narula

Marvell? - coldbrew

Stephen: read this about RIM: http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2010... - Robert Scoble

I will say Apple will remain the leader in tablets, not because it's so much better but it's very good and priced extremely well...unlike the over price Android tablets, they are very good but over priced - Kenny

Voice/text is a given dumbphone feature but will the web be? - Aron Michalski

Thanks Robert! - Stephen Pickering

I don't think the average consumer is buying an Android phone though... they are buying SE, HTC, LG phones etc.. - Jamie

well use them for more then a day - Kenny

If I could only afford 5 phones... - Aron Michalski

Unrelated note: Thought I saw a young Scoble in the HBO Reagan documentary. Is that possible? - Alex de Soto

Ankush - ONX makes sense, but Oracle wants to crush SAP's mobile stratgey - clive boulton

Alex: hah. I was at a Reagan rally once. - Robert Scoble

What context did you think you saw me? My photo of Reagan is still hanging in the Republican Headquarters in Silicon Valley. - Robert Scoble

holy crap - Kenny

iAppleScripting - Jerome Hughes

Tiny, seconds-long clip of someone in a crowd commenting on the country's situation. - Alex de Soto

2.2 does - Aron Michalski

Alex: I doubt it. But I did get a great photo of him. - Robert Scoble

Not all Android apps jump but a bunch do; as well of those who use the browser as an engine so it's just tabs. - Aron Michalski

Robert: Check it out. It just might be you. :) - Alex de Soto

Oops, did everyone's video just drop or is it just me? - Kenny

ah, its back - Kenny

reminds of the TSR daze - Jerome Hughes

It's really cool to see new versions of Android apps all finding these good features, especially the "move to SD card" one... - Aron Michalski

Anyone care to comment on the use of "post-PC era" ? - coldbrew

Someone is typing furiously, ha! - Eric Florenzano

He's counting all that cash he's making - Stephen Pickering

Scobleizer vs. Quora? :P - Eric Florenzano

he's left the building - Jerome Hughes

Talk about Instagram Robert! ehheheheheheheheheheh - Stephen Pickering

Nice when GoogleTV app market opens. Planning a GillmorGang App - clive boulton

iPad 2 will be out before the touchpad - Jamie

also the Pre 2 is about to come out on Verizon but they just announced the Pre 3...who's gonna buy a Pre 2 right now - Kenny

HP? Microsoft/Nokia? Android? Bah. It's about ecosystem. Here's what's coming: http://ankush.posterous.com/the-fut... - Ankush Narula

THe problem with HP is that great geniuses always have weaknesses, and like how they got rid of Hurd, they won't allow any CEO that has any weakness which loses the genius part - Stephen Pickering

cliveb: I hope I can get some functionality on mythTV :) - coldbrew

careful; Gillmor may be Apple only, an Android app would be blasphemous. - Aron Michalski

Michalski: It makes him feels safe, and I don't think he is alone. - coldbrew

"Groupware!" - Ankush Narula

coldbrew: indeed. Google hired IE leader to head up GoogleTV app market place - clive boulton

ROA! - Jerome Hughes

I learned Twitter from Scoble and Leo. If I'd only joined 3 weeks earlier I could have been @stephen ! - Stephen Pickering

Novell was way ahead of its time - distributed computing, the channel, the CNE ...and Groupware! - John Taschek

JT: Agreed - Ankush Narula

and then there was Newton… - Jerome Hughes

Twitter found its highest, best use today when Steve Martin tweeted "Dancin' by the Nile," followed by "Mubarak's dancin' wear: dress socks, sandals, bag over head." - Denise Howell

Idea: use keyboard drumming as a special podcast way of applauding or saying "Hear, hear!" - Amyloo

Timing is everything. - John Taschek

Let's see what they can do with wave under Apache. - coldbrew

JohnT why did Novell fade away? - clive boulton

They are a lead conributor. - coldbrew

It's like the chorus murmuring... - Aron Michalski

Steve G invariably is right with these predictions - Jamie

transformational - Jerome Hughes

Exactly, Aron. - Amyloo

JohnT: they were out run by Microsoft. When I saw Windows 3.11 and NT I knew it was over for Novell. They couldn't compete with that. - Robert Scoble

Why is it always after companies like Google, FB, and Twitter become big doe their paradigms seem so obvious? - Stephen Pickering

Robert: agreed - Ankush Narula

Twitter was obvious to me in 2007. It just takes a lot of you a long time to catch up. - Robert Scoble

emphatic paper crumpling - Jerome Hughes

Twitter might have aided in the Egyptian revolution. But in the end, a good old phone call to GW Bush from Mubarak helped the former dictator dodge a million pairs of shoes. - Ankush Narula

because once we see them being used, we develop intuitions for them - Kevin Marks

I mean back in 2004 when I was tooling around with a retail store, I could have been building Facebook! - Stephen Pickering

Novell played a game that it wasn't good at - buying WordPerfect to compete with Microsoft. Not upping the ante in the ring 0 versus ring 3 debate. Getting crushed in the channel too. - John Taschek

Apple buying boxcar - Jamie

Golf clap - lol - Kenny

Jamie: Really? - Eric Florenzano

Jamie: That would be interesting. - Eric Florenzano

JohnT / RobertS - novell thx - clive boulton

Re: Novell - agree with Robert. - John Taschek

encore! - Jerome Hughes

you're good. - Aron Michalski

What will the FB and Twitter of 5 years from now be so that I can put my energies to good use? hehehe - Stephen Pickering

Boxcar/Apple: http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-i... - Ankush Narula

skate to where the puck will be... - Jerome Hughes

glimpsing of new loop app? - clive boulton

What was it that Jerry Garcia said? "We would have sold out if anyone was buying what we were doing..." - Aron Michalski

have a good week everyone - Ankush Narula

Hughes: you have to give Gretsky credit there :) - coldbrew

RT: skate to where the puck will be... - Jerome Hughes - clive boulton

coldbrew: and Christensen - Jerome Hughes

See ya everybody. and the Hansen Brothers. - Aron Michalski

hasn't had padded glasses for 38 years -> - Jerome Hughes

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