Gillmor Gang recording session live 1PM Pa

are we going to be blessed with a gillmor show today? - Chris Jackson

Let's hope so! Lots of stuff to talk about on this episode I'm sure. I'm looking forward to it. - Kevin Costain

Yes! I'm online. In Gillmor's family room. - Robert Scoble

Andrew Keen "let me plug my thing in." Sounds obscene. :-) Behind the scenes banter. - Robert Scoble

To watch this or Calacanis? That is the question. - Stephen Pickering

Stephen - url for Calacanis ? - Chris Jackson

http://thisweekinstartups.com - Stephen Pickering

thnx - Chris Jackson

its on! - Kevin Costain

Danny Sullivan - Robert Scoble

sounds good to me - Brian Hendrickson

danny - audio fine here - Chris Jackson

We will be right back. - Robert Scoble

Third time's the charm ;) - Denise Howell

lol... don't get frustrated Steve.. live is better!! - Kevin Costain

I'm hoping Robert will talk about iPhone personal assistant, SIRI - r Macdonald

GillmorGang now recording session now live: Danny Sullivan, Scoble, Marks, Keen, Edo Segal http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

I hope Steve doesn't pre-record it. It is on Building43.com/RealTime and called "Real Time with The Gillmor Gang" :( - David Lloyd

"Use Flash like you would cilantro—sparingly and for a single high-impact effect. Nobody wants to eat a whole bowl of cilantro..." -- Merlin Mann http://www.43folders.com/node... - Ken Sheppardson

well thats bullshit (not @ you ken :-) ) - Jamie

flash is dead folks - Jamie

Trouble is - what is there to replace the ubiquity of flash? It's in more places than Java and I just don't see that HTML5 can replace that. Flash is the cheesy splash screen, the ad the fancy movie site, and movies. Flash is like the cockroach of the web - Kevin Costain

It's interesting that Flash owes it's ubiquity to Microsoft. - Cliff Gerrish

as smartphones sans flash start getting traction please believe that the ad networks, exchanges and servers will quickly fix that - Jamie

Flash never was the write-once-run-everywhere environment. - Tom Morris

Flash was the write once run lots of places environment - more than other video/vector/animation tech - Kevin Marks

I've owned a fair few mobile devices. Never had one that had Flash. Had lots that did JavaME or native code (C, ObjC etc.) - Tom Morris

Leo's live streaming site is built on Flash, but he has today made it work on iphone. - David Lloyd

60% of adobes revenue is from authoring tools - Jamie

People are still gonna buy Illustrator, Photoshop, Dreamweaver and so on. - Tom Morris

*Flash* authoring tools? Yeah... what Tom said. - Ken Sheppardson

seems there's an early death notice here for Flash since Apple released an iPad - what about the over 90% of the real people that won't care about iPad - there's a huge amount of the web to convert - won't happen overnight - Don Bonaddio

Tom: the leverage on getting them to do that is a lot less in a post Flash world. - Robert Scoble

Don, you think people care about flash? - Jamie

"Silverlight: MS rebooting Windows as web OS", cool observation - r Macdonald

They'll still need to make designer-friendly tools for building HTML+JavaScript. Designers aren't suddenly going to go from the Flash Authoring tools to Emacs and Vim. - Tom Morris

folks wont even notice when they switch out the video for html5 - Jamie

Adobe needs to become innovative again, and build authoring tools for HTML5 - Stephen Pickering

most people have no idea that flash is even being used on the site - they'll notice it's broken however when they try to browse to their favorite sites and see it broken Jamie - Don Bonaddio

Had an iPod touch for 6 months. Barely noticed lack of Flash. - Tom Morris

The only sites I've used today with Flash are video sites - ustream, YouTube, Vimeo. - Tom Morris

Ah Future Splash, we hardly knew ye.... - Cliff Gerrish

Avatar was created with Abode tools...they still do innovative tool dev. but not so much for the web. - Jim Posner

Tom: Ustream is available on iPhone without Flash. - Robert Scoble

What about the learning curve a hardcore flash developer would have to go through to use another tool? Especially for the highly interactive flash websites? - Kevin Costain

Flash ain't dead. It's undead. - Tom Morris

Robert how do they do that? What is Ustream on iPhone running on? - Stephen Pickering

That's the question, how do you compete against the cross-subsidy move into your market? - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin, it was ever thus. - Frank Paynter

Andrew Keen's comment == WTF? - Tom Morris

What about them, Kevin? Same thing would happen to them that happened to all the Cobol and FORTRAN developers. - Ken Sheppardson

Don I know how widespread flash is used, but most site developers built in a way for them to degrade gracefully when the plugin isnt present. even the porn sites are getting on board. - Jamie

Stephen: Apple SDK and built in video streaming APIs. - Robert Scoble

Ken ++ - Frank Paynter

Stephen: They're doing h.264 via http. You can see it in action, actually... if you go to http://live.twit.tv/m - Ken Sheppardson

i think iPads demo it not primarily for techies , use cases are much different for iPad than iPhone, conversion to HTML5 will happen but not in 60 days... more like a couple years - Don Bonaddio

I hear you Jamie, but that's more dev time - Don Bonaddio

Ken: I agree, the trouble is there isn't even something to compete with what already exits. Flash is a whole lot more than video.. Im mot aware of anything or any type of development tool that can make some of the more highly interactive flash sites I see.. - Kevin Costain

Hate restaurant sites that use Flash. Can't find a way to make a reservation w/o Flash. - Alex de Soto

i still use it - some too Steve.... FF For Ever.... - Chris Jackson

It's really simple: you test your site in Lynx. If you've built it right, it'll work. - Tom Morris

That kind of "I'm just looking for this piece of information" things are going to be handled by services and aggregators. - Cliff Gerrish

im not saying flash will die out in a few months, or even a few years. but technology has a way of building momentum against certain technologies or services. (webkits a good example). we're at a point where the most important uses of flash 5 years ago finally have open equivalents that are much more efficient. - Jamie

Tom: so true.. :) - Kevin Costain

HTML5 video rollout enhanced by MPEG LA's announcement this week that they will continue not to charge royalties for h264 Internet Video that is "free to end users" - r Macdonald

I hope the plug-in era of the web is near it's end - Jim Posner

IMO, this is a power move by appl to force developers to create apps to buy through their app store instead of using open standards in a browser - Don Bonaddio

we're thinking about this a lot. rev3's mobile site pushes to youtube. - michael sean wright

don, flash isn't really an open standard. HTML5 is - Kevin Marks

and flash hasn't been on the iphone since day one. way before apple ever envisioned the app store being such a huge success - Jamie

so I dont buy the "it competes with the app store" argument. - Jamie

A 'power move'. It's a technical move. Seriously. Run some Flash videos with Activity Monitor open and watch your CPU usage. - Tom Morris

understood Kevin, I think devs need to move there but there is a move for sites to create apps instead of making their sites HTML5, imo - Don Bonaddio

I think Vimeo has an HTML5 player now. Check out their blog. - Alex de Soto

I thought that the adoption of web standards was suppose to slow the balkinization of the web. - Jim Posner

Graceful degradation is at the heart of web front end development done right, Jim - Kevin Marks

agree Tom that flash is bad, but not supporting a defacto standard ? - Don Bonaddio

Point being that the companies are looking out for themselves and not the user? - Kevin Sablan

Kevin, I thought graceful degradation was deprecated in favor of progressive enhancement. - Cliff Gerrish

was talking with with some espn folks last week, they said that 85% of their web traffic during the weekends come via mobile. made us re-think approach. must be multiple output. - michael sean wright

He who has the best Skype connection wins. - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff: graceful degradation/progressive enhancement are two sides of the same coin. - Tom Morris

so that's fine Robert, so I'll wait 5 years - Don Bonaddio

lol - Moobie

This is the real story: it's the rise of the mobile platform. The big money is going to (or already is) invested in mobile experiences and moved away from web-based experiences.. - Kevin Costain

has "best on any browser" morphed to "best on any platform," or will developers just write around the proprietary stuff? - Frank Paynter

Band sites, restaurant sites, airline sites, car rental sites... - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff: Sorry, I was referring to the conversation on between the video participants. The idea that these companies are looking out for themselves, instead of _____? There isn't anything wrong with a company not looking out for competitors, but they must look out for customers. - Kevin Sablan

The Flash->HTML 'compiler'. Where is it, then? - Tom Morris

IIRC the SFO site uses flash. Can't actually navigate it from my Pre - Ken Sheppardson

Google's tablet will be totally hooked into (and connected to) their suite of tools. - Kevin Costain

lmao - Jamie

no ------- i missed so much..... - Chris Jackson

haha - Kevin Costain

was anyone else recording this? - Moobie

oh no - Christopher Harris

nice - Ken Sheppardson

what was taht all about.. haha - Kevin Costain

doesnt ustream save the recording automatically? - Jamie

If he had ustream set up it would auotmatically record each show but he doesnt - David Lloyd

You have to set an option in the admin panel - David Lloyd

love the live experience! - r Macdonald

I'm on the Youtube HTML5 beta and the videos look like shit. Why is that? - Stephen Pickering

my wife doesn't understand Flash or how computers work but she likes to relax playing some simple games online in her browser, guess what, they're all flash - I thought a big demographic for the iPad was everyday people - Don Bonaddio

youtube is almost 70% of all video consumed on the web. so we are talking long tail here. - Jamie

You are seeing the mp4 video not converted, so that makes no sense Stephen - David Lloyd

The same file the user uploaded - David Lloyd

don, i'm sure she'll find no end of free simple games through iphone / ipad apps - dannysullivan

don there are 40,000 simple games in the app store. - Jamie

mp4 with h264 is the new mp3 - Kevin Marks

Google Chrome. - David Lloyd

chrome is cannibalising FF share - Jamie

flash is so damn pervasive that I've seen small children's games shipped that ar just a win32 app wrapped around a flash experience. - Kevin Costain

understood dannysullivan, but that's a transition and most likely an extra cost per app - Don Bonaddio

Also have you guys noticed that quicktime movies play like shit on Chrome, at least on the Mac? - Stephen Pickering

I love Chrome, been using it two weeks, and I'm a long time Firefox hater. Really impressed with Chrome. - Moobie

Kevin! InternetArchive.org already does that for its videos - David Lloyd

It detects if you have a html5 browser and asks you if you want to use it. - David Lloyd

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Chrome is okay. Lacks all the plugins of Firefox though. - Tom Morris

I agree, Chrome is my favorite, but if I want to listen or watch a quicktime movie I've got to boot up Safari to have a decent experience - Stephen Pickering

@stephen chrome on the mac suffers badly for any kind of video for me. both flash & html5 is unwatchable. - Jamie

When quicktime things play in my Chrome window I get no playback contorls, just a black bar. - David Lloyd

@tom they have 2,000 plugins already and support greasemonkey. - Jamie

Jamie: they have 2,000 plugins. The plugins I actually use though aren't there. Also, it is *horrible* on Linux. - Tom Morris

Well I'm watching this on Chrome and the Flash is fine, but my quicktime experience terrible, right the controls don't even work, can't pause it or anything - Stephen Pickering

Good episode of GG and only a few hundred of us actually will see it. - David Lloyd

Chrome is still very beta yet. Give it time. - Moobie

@tom 2,000 plugins in just a few months is excellent progress. as it picks up market share momentum will increase - Jamie

Chrome on the Mac doesn't handle the QT plugin well, true - Kevin Marks

Firefox is also horrible on Linux compared to it's windows and mac counterparts. - Moobie

linux is irrelevant - Jamie

Chrome on windows doesn't handle it well either. I play an mp3 on a website and I get a black bar and no contorls - David Lloyd

oodles - Frank Paynter

iPad is not a computer.. :) - Kevin Costain

Ipad jailbreak :) - David Lloyd

Linux is irrelevant. Except for all the developers that build all the shit for all your gadgets. ;) - Tom Morris

Ipad is a post-PC device. - Cliff Gerrish

@tom akin to the sweat shops in india - Jamie

iPad should come jailbroken right out of the box. in fact, connect the ipad to the free wireless just outside the Apple Store, download a jailbreak and THEN start using your iPad.. that's the future of this device.. - Kevin Costain

Jaiku - Ken Sheppardson

I checked my social circle on google the other day. wow. - Jamie

What ever happened to Jaiku? - David Lloyd

Nitpick: s/social graph/social network/g. Seriously. Robert. Stop it please. - Tom Morris

David: It's still running... and they've open sourced it - http://code.google.com/p... - Ken Sheppardson

Nice - David Lloyd

Jaiku was dumped into the open source bucket... - Cliff Gerrish

I think social search is the *least* interesting part about these developments - Jamie

Smile scoble. - David Lloyd

I wonder how many people have built their own Jaiku engine or status.net/Laconica site... - Ken Sheppardson

BINGO, Danny! Social + real-time results + BEHAVIOUR =Nirvana - Kevin Sablan

The social search thing is actually pretty cool for developers. I get content from people I trust. And the people I trust aren't stupid like most people on the Internet are. ;) - Tom Morris

Yay. Flashfail. - Tom Morris

Robert: What will be the source of this feed? Twitter/Facebook or something Google is making? - Kevin Costain

I can see google subsidising their gpads built by OEMs - Jamie

with the cheap reference hardware perhaps they could give them away for free as a loss leader for the advertising - Jamie

Gpad with a Gdisk account means no onboard flash needed :D - David Lloyd

http://www.google.com/profile... - Robert Scoble

No flash disk needed - until you get into an aeroplane, a railway tunnel or a mobile blackspot. - Tom Morris

Costain: that was for you. - Robert Scoble

Google Labs has offline modes for some apps - David Lloyd

There's Google Checkout - Alex de Soto

Yeah, and that SQLite store in HTML 5 - where does that go? - Tom Morris

...and they're dumping Gears for HTML5 - Ken Sheppardson

Gears is basically HTML 5 beta. - Tom Morris

Tom - sqlite stores a file on your local machine containing the data for future use. - Chris Jackson

the book format for iPad is ePub, which is HTML inside - Kevin Marks

yeah its just a file container - David Lloyd

DRM'able of course :D - David Lloyd

I have an ebook reader. It's called a laptop with a folder full of PDF files. - Tom Morris

I agree with Robert, I'm fine with the $16 price point for eBooks for latest books, for which I buy in hard copy for $30 - r Macdonald

I just buy books and put em on my shelf when I have read them so my friends think I am clever. Screw ebooks. - David Lloyd

Kevin is correct. McMillan are worried that long term amazon controls the reader and the book price and has them over a barrel - Jamie

I got ya Robert, I just don't see how Google can reliably pull all that feed information into one place when they want user lock-in (just like anyone else). I see them more likely making a Twitter or Facebook or whatever .clone - Kevin Costain

kinda like appl controlled the price of the 99cents music - Don Bonaddio

@tommorris you prefer PDF to ePub? Really? - Kevin Marks

Imagine reading a book on the ipad, youll be distracted every 2 minutes with new emails, and other things beeping and booping. - David Lloyd

Kevin C: a Google clone of Facebook would be very interesting. - Robert Scoble

No. But I've got thousands and thousands of papers in PDF. I've never downloaded an ePub file in my life. - Tom Morris

@david airplane mode - Jamie

Kevin and Andrew are right, it is about the quality web-connected user experience. - r Macdonald

Of course its going to be DRM'ed with FairPlay :D - David Lloyd

iBooks is ePub but with fairplay DRM. we're back to square one - Jamie

Well in 5 years time the 1 dollar pulp paperback should be out ;) - David Lloyd

I use this thing called a university library. It works pretty well. - Tom Morris

me too. Leeds University has 2 greta libraries. NOTHING beats holding real books. Screw ebooks. - David Lloyd

I don't want to own music. I don't want to own content, in general. I pay ~$15/mo to listen to whatever I want on Zune. - Ken Sheppardson

People are just reading alot less or NOT reading paper at all anymore.. - Kevin Costain

honestly i prefer ebooks. - Jamie

@tommorris iPad will handle PDF too, sure, just like iPhone does now. - Kevin Marks

Holding something 100 years old; the smell. - David Lloyd

http://www.google.com/s2... Google's Social Circles. Check out your social graph! - Robert Scoble

you play songs more than once too - Don Bonaddio

I might buy an ebook reader. For reference books. 900 page XML specs that kinda crap. For anything I actually need to read, paper. - Tom Morris

Google's Social Circles - I like it - I see that turning into something very useful.. Right now.. not so much.. :) - Kevin Costain

Yup. Look at all the distractions around us. We cant read books on an Ipad without checking emails, Friendfeed, twitter, bidding on ebay. Downloading music. - David Lloyd

Watching Daily Show clips, not reading. - David Lloyd

Kevin C: a foundation of a building isn't very useful either. - Robert Scoble

when I was at google and testing Social Circle, m'colleagues complained that all they saw was stuff from me (they didn't blog) - Kevin Marks

I think iPad is a killer form factor for magazines and newspapers. - Jamie

I prefer the actual newspaper :) - David Lloyd

the NYT app looked glorious - Jamie

And i like flicking through the magazines on the news stand and picking one. - David Lloyd

save the trees david, save the trees - Jamie

Robert: I agree with you - often the importance of the foundation is lost on people too. i think you're right about Google planning something big in that space. . - Kevin Costain

hehe - David Lloyd

I mean, what the hell - you want to make books suck as much as iTunes DRM? DVD CSS region restriction? What a load of crap. - Tom Morris

Google ePub files available here: http://bit.ly/GOOGePub - Kevin Marks

The thing is, people will not stop reading paper. There is a backlash brewing (or already here) about how DUMB everyone is getting because they dont read. Check out the PBS doc.. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh... - Kevin Costain

We can go buy our DRM apple books, then in a few years pay for "ibooks pro" with no DRM :) - David Lloyd

I'll just buy the hardback and "rip-it" to all my devices :-) - Don Bonaddio

iPod ==> iPad ==> and coming soon the iPud! - Frank Paynter

The fact that Amazon can remove books remotely from your Kindle is ridiculous. - Tom Morris

Is the public library dead yet? - Ken Sheppardson

Thankfully not. - Tom Morris

I think the public library (and the private library) are more powerful than ever. - Cliff Gerrish

proprietary vs open - Don Bonaddio

I'm surprised Andrew Keen hasn't ranted about the libertarian tech geeks wanting to burn down our libraries. ;) - Tom Morris

The public libraries are not hurting here in Toronto. I think we Canucks see this as an essential service.. :) - Kevin Costain

I guess Andrew cares more about making money than the freedom to read. - Tom Morris

libraries are moving into providing digital books anyway - Hilary Talbot

I wonder if any libraries let you check out Kindles yet. - Ken Sheppardson

the move to digital libraries is proving to be quite painful because of copyright issues :( - David Lloyd

They don't need to. If everything is online, you don't need a library anymore. The Pirate Bay/Rapidshare/BitTorrent is the online digital library. - Tom Morris

You have unlimited copies digitally versus a few in the library physiclally. Its difficult - David Lloyd

Neither. - David Lloyd

You go onto BitTorrent and search for "10000 psychology ebooks collection" and you download a folder full of PDFs... - Tom Morris

Neither will be on the iPad.. ! - Kevin Costain

Yeah I am sure i'll steal a bunch of crap and buy some too. - David Lloyd

Silverlight will be on the iPad the day after you can install Safari on your ChromeOS tablet. - Ken Sheppardson

Apple will come out with their own "standard" for video on the web. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Stranger things have happened. I refer to Apple 1997. - David Lloyd

The standard is a mp4 file with h264 accelerators :D - David Lloyd

Did anyone read Seth Godin's bullshit about libraries? What a load of nonsense. - Tom Morris

it actually cant record video well. very low fps rate on the 3g - Jamie

no, link it - David Lloyd

@manielse Apple went with h264 in mp4, and drove the licensing debate so that it was viable - Kevin Marks

True Kevin... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

David - http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b... - and my response - http://tommorris.org/blog... - Tom Morris

it almost is a web interface - Jamie

ROFL - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Youtube becoming music search engine - http://www.youtube.com/disco - michael sean wright

the entire itunes store is now in html - Jamie

Apple + Lala = web-based iTunes. Distribution of the sales interface. - Cliff Gerrish

lol Robert - Moobie

Gillmor Gang uses Flash! - David Lloyd

Scoble nano vs. ScoblePad - Tom Morris

I am buying - David Lloyd

YES - Stephen Pickering

I'm buying one. - Robert Scoble

I'm down for the iPad! - r Macdonald

Yes, i'll buy the iPad.. i will buy two or more! - Kevin Costain

I have my money set aside already Steve - Jamie

wait for rev2 - Don Bonaddio

not - Frank Paynter

Fuck no. iPad is APple's move from computer company to ridiculous bullshit toy company. - Tom Morris

I'm buying an iPad for sure, can't wait - Stephen Pickering

will buy iPad because i enjoy the iPod touch. - michael sean wright

Thanks everyone! - Kevin Costain

waiting for the competition, JooJoo, Google, HP Slate etc - Moobie

I'll be getting an iPad so Ribbit can turn it into a phone - Kevin Marks

Fini - David Lloyd

My Eee gets 10 hours battery life. I can write whatever the fuck I want for it. All open source. And it has a keyboard. - Tom Morris

As soon as I can find a good old flip phone that'll let me tether over WiFi, I'lll dump my smartphone and get an iPad. - Ken Sheppardson

...provided a WiFi hotspot, that is - Ken Sheppardson

the transition will happen. some folks will need to be dragged kicking and screaming, but it will happen... and very quickly for the key things (video). the peripheral stuff, designer label websites and so on are fine as they are. I dont think people are dying for that kind of content to be accessible on a phone anyway. - Jamie

@JC Companies will move if it means survival of keeping their audience. Apple has huge influence to that, especially in the consumer space. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Ken, a MiFi + iPad seems to be a big play right now, just as a MiFi + iPhone is a great solution too -- of course the MiFi monthly charge is probably a bit too much for the average person, like myself - Chris Heath

Depending on your need (mostly near Wifi), the MiFi PrePaid plans may be worth it for those 'occasional' roaming needs. Or I'm sure tethering to phone options will surface..., - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

it wasn't the buzz messages. it was the automatic follows via GMail contacts that was the problem anyway. - Karoli

I don't want to know what Kevin is having for lunch. I want to know whose lunch Google is eating. - Michael Markman

HUH? Hasn't Twitter had geolocation for awhile? - Karoli

I just want to hide it once. Not every single time someone replies. - Karoli

Yes. - Michael Markman

Yes, I am going to buy 2. One for my stepdad and one for me. - Karoli

Yes to iPad... (by when? still unknown) - Michael Markman

@karoli Buzz has geolocation integrated into a mobile map product. - Michael Markman

@mickeleh the reason I'm unimpressed is because a) I hate geolocation; and b) it makes me use the stupid map to upload a pic. - Karoli

Om had a great post today about why he wants one. I totally agree. - Karoli

Siri is amazing. - Karoli

Siri is Alan Kay's decades-old vision of agents negotiating on your behalf over the Net. - Michael Markman

If you twits are wondering if I'm talking to myself...I'm not. I'm watching GillmorGang here... http://building43.com/realtime - Karoli

Twitter borks so often I can't imagine it doing such a thing. LOL. It has difficulty doing what it does. - Karoli

Hey kids, what I miss? - Aron Michalski

Scobuster? - Aron Michalski

Aron +1 - Karoli

Robert, I love ya but the angle you're at right now is awful. - Karoli

LOL....Robert caught gaping like a fish... - Karoli

...wondering when Gillmor Gang will come to my Roku. - Karoli

disruptive in different ways. iPad is a consumption product; Buzz is a creation/aggregation product. - Karoli

the item in my hand is far more disruptive than the item I don't have. - Aron Michalski

I agree w/ Gillmor. It' not either or.. The disruption is multiplied with iPad x Buzz. - Michael Markman

Excellent show. Thanks to all those who participated and especially those who didn't. - Michael Markman

really good show. bye bye - Karoli

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