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Apr 18, 2014

Nir Ben Yona, Tina Chase Gillmor, clive boulton, Jerome Hughes, J.C. Bouvier, and Matt Hicks liked this

hi everyone. hope your Good Friday is indeed a good one! - Tina Chase Gillmor

Does Good Friday have something to do w/Lent? Or are they completely unrelated? - J.C. Bouvier

lent ends on Easter Sunday - Kevin Marks

Right, boulder gets rolled, and then it's a party...now I remember... - J.C. Bouvier

it's all a little fuzzy for me - Tina Chase Gillmor

Oh no, Catechism class! - Tom Guarriello

starting to get everyone up on Skype - Tina Chase Gillmor

...and don't forget.... it's still Passover - Tina Chase Gillmor

Has it started? - Ian Waring

and today Steve is going to crab about the fact that I changed his camera position. I told him i will put it back where it was if he really doesn't like it after today - Tina Chase Gillmor

I'm in Malta today, so my brain and my watch are out of sync... - Ian Waring

I was tweeting scripture at the pope earlier - Kevin Marks

ian - not yet - Keith Teare

let me know if you need the Jewish Catholic to add some value to your Easter discussion (me) - Charlie Isaacs

That's serious Catechism class, Kevin! Be careful, he's a Jesuit! - Tom Guarriello

I love that test card, takes me back to my childhood when you waited for TV to start with bated breath! - Simon Benvenutto

Thank you Keith. Religious lot doing Good Friday marches into Church here... - Ian Waring

I see Tina's forehead :) - Charlie Isaacs

Now that's what Keith calls music - Kevin Marks

Yay! Full crew, but watch out for that Bing traitor! - Ian Waring

Makes sense to FB but does it make sense to users? - Tom Guarriello

I have a Google app on iOS - Kevin Marks

special mystery guest https://twitter.com/charlie... - Charlie Isaacs

and on android, actually - Kevin Marks

Is this the preparation towards the Facebook Mobile - Moe Glitz

Facebook needs to leverage its current user base to expand into more businesses that will diversify its revenue streams. Social platforms have a limited potential for generating revenue and could lose its users to a new app or platform in the future. - Rob Greenlee

show link http://techcrunch.com/2014... - Tina Chase Gillmor

Google Voice is now annoying me by telling me every time someone adds me to a circle. Is that in an effort to get me to delete the Voice app from my phone? Or a desperate attempt to get me to hit + pages? Or both? - J.C. Bouvier

http://tantek.com/2014... is intersting - Kevin Marks

WhatsApp, Instagram and other features - Moe Glitz

and then http://tantek.com/2014... - Kevin Marks

I'm totally mad a Steve right now. He is refusing to look at the upper part of his screen. I just know I'm going to be repositioning the camera back where it was - Tina Chase Gillmor

Borthwick's thing on homescreen icons may have made zuck think about it https://medium.com/on-star... - Kevin Marks

FB needs must be where the younger people is: on the mobile - Carlos Cruz

If the Amazon Mobile is true than Zuckerberg will want a piece of the action - Moe Glitz

Chromebox i5 cant keep up with HD live stream - switched to quad i7 Mac (makes big difference) - clive boulton

But it's all "person-centric"... that's Tantek's point - Darius Dunlap

it is for one to one; for one to many it's subtler - Kevin Marks

Separate apps work well, but Google's separate apps didn't work well at all, either for the user or behind the scenes. They have to break the silos first with Hangouts before they do anything else. - Kevin Bryan

but if done right, navigating that is also made easier. At least, the potential is there. - Darius Dunlap

I'm more with Kevin. If you go user-centric then you have an explosion of complexity. Users seem comfortable with that at the app level. (2 years ago I wouldn't have agreed...) - Ian McGee

Mobile Apps are the new TV Channels - Moe Glitz

Jillian York was interesting on this: http://jilliancyork.com/2014... - Kevin Marks

Google's problem: Everyone was on Google, but nobody could see each other in chat. By Google unifying under Hangouts (and Google+), at least people can find each other now across Google services. - Kevin Bryan

Kevin's point about modalities of communication is very valid, but I'd say apps are artificial constructs, and the fragmentation they create is painful. - Simon Benvenutto

Apps, Channels, Text vs. Voice.. whatever. The important questions is "how do I best reach this person", and present that in a user-centric set of choices. - Darius Dunlap

I am not convinced people (consumers) love apps, I think corporates love apps! They're a strong channel,and are rapidly becoming brand identity. But that doesn't help consumers. - Simon Benvenutto

Microsoft tried with Windows Phone to create app integrated "People Hubs" that pulled the data from a variety of apps into one user experience. They are now shutting that down with WP 8.1. - Rob Greenlee

The problem with unbundling Facebook's Services is that you eventually will have Facebook Lite - Moe Glitz

wow, all-star cast today https://twitter.com/charlie... - Charlie Isaacs

Jennifer Ehle summed it up: "I know nothing of Facebook. Never been there. I've seen a page of it and it gives me that Microsoft sleepy feeling in my brain." https://twitter.com/jennife... - Kevin Marks

Many Apps & Devices. One User Data Profile http://www.deconstructed.io/ - clive boulton

Does anyone else use the "New YouTube video" notifications feature in their notifications bar? I've had it for a long time. Very useful. - Kevin Bryan

interesting question is "why" the Windows Phone idea that's similar is going away. - Darius Dunlap

That it IS going away doesn't really say much. Microsoft has a long history of doing amazing things that for one reason or another never catch on. - Darius Dunlap

Google's Services have always been separate, which is why their Apps are easy to sell separate. Facebook is another thing. If the Facebook Wall becomes a separate App, will the Facebook Wall come crumbling down - Moe Glitz

Interesting conversation about "user app churn" behavior on this week's episode of The Prompt http://5by5.tv/prompt/44 - Tom Guarriello

Apps are oriented to user needs, so I think they will stay for long (unless there is a real working assistant like siri that launch apps/services). On the other hand, apps could use backend services - an unified ID could be a good example). - Carlos Cruz

Most mobile users don't really use that many apps on a regular basis. It is like what happened with the web. Early on people visited a lot of different websites, then pulled back to just a few. Same is happening with Apps now. - Rob Greenlee

the diversification of apps has to be well beyond social networks apps directly.. but apps that take advantage of the social network.. like health apps.. etc. - Michael Roberts

camlistore/deconstructed.io use case? - clive boulton

++ Michael Roberts - Darius Dunlap

Paper is the wall as a separate app, Moe - Kevin Marks

just played with a Galaxy S 5, it's awesome - Da

Think Paper will eventually fold Kevin, they should have brought Flipboard - Moe Glitz

Enterprise wants to unbundle identity from apps, consumers don't. - clive boulton

Moe: I agree - Keith Teare

missing John Taschek's enterprisey pov - clive boulton

@Moe, @Keith - Paper is by far the better experience, I see it as the iPhone of Facebook apps, where the stock Facebook app is more the Android volume user play...Paper is for people w/a higher gross income...Facebook is for the rest of their users. - J.C. Bouvier

should I talk about fragmentions? http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014... - Kevin Marks

give it a try Kevin - Tina Chase Gillmor

Could be true J.C. But Facebook will need to sell it hard. Perhaps inside a Facebook Mobile it will gain in popularity - Moe Glitz

Andreessen blocked me on Twitter - Kevin Marks

Paper is facing the same challenge as Medium, which I don't think will ever be large - Moe Glitz

Whoa, Kevin! - Tom Guarriello

And how were those people starting that company supporting themselves. - Darius Dunlap

my response to that thread was to link this old post: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006... - Kevin Marks

I am someone who has a few bootstrapped startups and I believe you can do a startup without spending a bunch of money, it takes money to get visibility though - Chris Hale

Don't hate on twinkies Steve - Chris Hale

back to the drawing board with the camera placement. Honestly, it's just not right and it's my fault. will try again - Tina Chase Gillmor

There is some stuff that used to be VERY hard, but which has now become free to experiment, and inexpensive to scale. - Darius Dunlap

Agree with Darius - Chris Hale

Well Steve's put his finger on it: innovative in the consumer space. There's way too much variations on the same old social media theme, why fund that unless there's proven revenue? - Simon Benvenutto

Yep, SimonB, and nobody seems to have confidence that they can pick winners... so they wait. They sit out until there is evidence. - Darius Dunlap

Can Danny talk about Google's pay per click declines on the Desktop and Yahoo's plan to be the default Search player on the iPhone - Moe Glitz

blocking often just too much flow :) - clive boulton

Windows is dead zzzz - Moe Glitz

I agree that B2B will be more difficult to address to kickstarter entrepreneurs. - Carlos Cruz

Also, the end market is fundamentally more conservative... so Breakouts take a LONG time to ramp up. - Darius Dunlap

Moe, It is hard to count Windows out completely in the mobile/tablet and PC space. Clearly, MS is still an OS that a billion of people still use today. - Rob Greenlee

@Keith, do you ahve an example of a kick tag in Instagram? That's an @ symbol for Twitter or some other for say Facebook? - J.C. Bouvier

thanks Steve / thanks Dan / thanks Semil -- balancing enterprisy pov - clive boulton

Apparently Hookers are using AirBnb for Services in some cities - Moe Glitz

"lets make our own startup with Hookers and Blow" - Kevin Marks

I wonder what the enterprise developer program growth is like... the companies building apps for internal-only use... I've seen some very interesting stuff, but I wonder if it's really a "thing" yet. - Darius Dunlap

Hell of a branding proposition, Kevin! - Tom Guarriello

"carburetors not ferraris" -- now I get it! - clive boulton

Gnip, Datasift, Radian6 Bing - Kevin Marks

with GNIP Twitter had partial control before and now they have complete control - Charlie Isaacs

Radian6 = Saleforce yah? - J.C. Bouvier

yes - Kevin Marks

it's also way to collect more revenue -- GNIP makes money - Charlie Isaacs

yeah, Charlie Isaacs, I think that's what Kevin was saying... Twitter already has the firehose, but these are people who have experience turning that into useful and profitable products. - Darius Dunlap

You can't trust anything coming out of Twitter unless you go directly to the firehose yourself or go to GNIP and get it from them, and Twitter severely limits the number of vendors who can get to the firehose - Charlie Isaacs

Will Twitter work with Creative Agencies, unlike Google which uses them - Moe Glitz

Enterprise can't do "Hookers and Blow" or is that where the puck is? - clive boulton

Enterprise is ALL about "hookers and Blow". - Darius Dunlap

Oh, and Golf. - Darius Dunlap

Show name "slightly unnatural acts"? - Tina Chase Gillmor

Isn't that an Oracle thing? - Kevin Marks

better than what clive just said Tina :) - Charlie Isaacs

Lol. Tina - Darius Dunlap

Google should buy Datasift and perhaps they can build a Fire Engine - Moe Glitz

Between "hookers and blow" and "slightly unnatural acts" it may be time to re-rate the show.... - Ian McGee

yes! - Michael Roberts

I missed how "hookers and blow" happened. Geez, when I'm not looking... - Tina Chase Gillmor

Gillmor GangBang - Moe Glitz

now you're talking -- connected hardware! - Charlie Isaacs

Larry Ellison makes sure no hookers and blow at big O. - clive boulton

connected hardware I agree - Michael Roberts

"When you're alone and life is making you lonely You can always go downtown" - Kevin Marks

Stuff people are noodling on. That's how everything interesting starts. - Darius Dunlap

wearables - Da

this friendfeed thing is turning into pornchat or whatever that thing was that I caught my son on the other day - Charlie Isaacs

I'm waiting for the whole space around connect hardware apps.. that bring intelligence to consumers. - Michael Roberts

Wait, are we talking about "hookers and blow" again?? - Tom Guarriello

Ha ha. - J.C. Bouvier

I think home automation and seemless authentication are spaces that are where a lot of interesting things are happening - Chris Hale

I'm quoting Petula Clark lyrics - Kevin Marks

"The lights are much brighter there You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares, and go ...." - Tina Chase Gillmor

Some of us have those lyrics embedded in our unconscious... - Tom Guarriello

downtown https://soundcloud.com/additup... - clive boulton

Wearables and Connectables are the future. Web 3.0 is here - Moe Glitz

Ive been noodling on my own home automation platform and have had pretty good success with getting everything connected and now I am able to control it via voice - Chris Hale

When you're alone and life is making you lonely You can always go, downtown - Charlie Isaacs

another area is the sharing economy.. I wonder if there will be an amazon for sharing stuff.. the big 'rent' it. - Michael Roberts

Sing Kevin - Moe Glitz

Sunday delivery by Amazon, too. Plus, they now send me texts when things get delivered. - Tom Guarriello

we were really surprised to get a package at 9:50pm - Tina Chase Gillmor

you don't want me singing Petula Clark. Pink Floyd maybe - Kevin Marks

So ya, think, might like to... goto the show! - Darius Dunlap

My neighbor's angry at me because I shot down his delivery drone down and screwed up his wife's birthday gift - Charlie Isaacs

Kevin.... I think you should actually sing on the show... so when I cut to you, please go for it! - Tina Chase Gillmor

my singing is bset kept in private - Kevin Marks

Brilliant Idea. Employ handicapped people as drone drivers! - Chris Hale

I've got all the Floyd lyrics right here, in case you need support. ;-) - Darius Dunlap

thats a philanthropic idea where everyone wins - Chris Hale

hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - Kevin Marks

why deliver when can 3D print - Da

we could make a Gillmor Gang Choir - Tina Chase Gillmor

I'd love to see gillmor gang bring someone in from beyond silicon valley.. like India.. or South Africa.. that might be good check for the Silicon Valley centric thinking.. - Michael Roberts

I used to code that in html - Tina Chase Gillmor

Drones should be use for the good things and not for war! - Carlos Cruz

way back when - Tina Chase Gillmor

Medium sor of does this... - Darius Dunlap

I like that a lot - Tina Chase Gillmor

"sort of" - Darius Dunlap

pretty awesome that the SpaceX Falcon9 lifted off a while ago - Charlie Isaacs

I was visiting Instructables yesterday - they have some insane 3D printers - Kevin Marks

that's an excellent idea, kevin - Tom Guarriello

Can Kevin sing "The Great Gig In The Sky" - Moe Glitz

but this new thing is so much more interesting... connecting across systems. - Darius Dunlap

No, Moe - Kevin Marks

I can do Pulp's Common People - Kevin Marks

we all know your code - Michael Roberts

android can keep screen on if plugged in - Kevin Marks

yes it is, steve - Tom Guarriello

Yep. It'll only turn off when you click the button, or flip the smart cover shut - Darius Dunlap

That's why I wasn't in the chatroom; I was watching on iPad. - Francine Hardaway

Ustream has a chat available but it doesn't store the chats... and that's a problem - Tina Chase Gillmor

Everything.me is COOL http://bit.ly/i8plrB - Nir Ben Yona

i use Screen On app to keep my screen on - Da

has anyone done an analysis of how many apps people can keep up with... kinda like the 150 friends.. limit. - Michael Roberts

remove the lock screen on iOS will decrease the level of data encryption on the device - Carlos Cruz

i'm gonna get a different tripod that is more flexible - Tina Chase Gillmor

Carburetors don't have theme music, Ferraris do? https://soundcloud.com/adamsin... - clive boulton

Could we please get off FF? - Francine Hardaway

@Francine Hardaway Agreed! FriendFeed is indeed dead. When can we bury the casket and move on to something new? - Kevin Bryan

francine, please give me an alternative - Tina Chase Gillmor

yammer for GIllmor Gang? - Francine Hardaway

I love IFTTT - Francine Hardaway

doesn't save the chat to a page - Tina Chase Gillmor

ifttt rocks - Charlie Isaacs

What about IRC, the olf favorite - Francine Hardaway

I think steve is totally right.. re: notifications. he's been making the same point for a while. - Michael Roberts

it's a sunshade - Kevin Marks

IRC is nice - Kevin Marks

oh hai! you're still here! - Laura Norvig

IRC would be good. Google+ page would be nice too. - Kevin Bryan

Chatter FTW :) and it's connected to IFTTT - Charlie Isaacs

IRC and surrounding tools can do all that, but it's still prettty geeky and difficult to get started. - Darius Dunlap

should I write a web app for gilmor gang to help deal with chat? - Chris Hale

yes Chris - Francine Hardaway

FF still better than G+ chat (UI too verbose) - clive boulton

Chris Hale please talk to me - Tina Chase Gillmor

I remember all of that - Francine Hardaway

lots of other podcasts use irc, but it's a PITA - Tom Guarriello

OK, somebody write an app for us - Francine Hardaway

Francine I think IRC is really good for techs.. but non-techs.. what else exists? - Michael Roberts

Samsung Gear Fit notifications look pretty cool - Da

I can probably write a better chat in 24 hrs than this crappy FF chat - Chris Hale

Hard to fathom why G+ doesn't add an API for chat - clive boulton

I have to watch the show on iPad and type on Mac - Francine Hardaway

invite Chris to the "create a new chat for GillmorGang" hackathon - Charlie Isaacs

Yeah! hackathon! lol - Darius Dunlap

haha, i have two hackathons i am participating in next month already - Chris Hale

hi Darius! Long time no see... - Francine Hardaway

Tina, how do i message you privately? - Chris Hale

I can't believe this chat and video thing hasn't been solved already... - Michael Roberts

OK Chris Hale - it has to be at least as good as FF - Tina Chase Gillmor

*wave* Francine! Hope to see you around here soon. - Darius Dunlap

chris- are you on FB? - Tina Chase Gillmor

Early May - Francine Hardaway

yes, someone please create a new chat app, call it WhatsAppGang and sell it to Zuck for $2B - Charlie Isaacs

Sounds good Charlie - Tina Chase Gillmor

how about whatsupgang - Chris Hale

For $3B, he gets Steve in the deal. - Darius Dunlap

FireChat - Kevin Marks

it used to work great when the chat was embedded right next to the video. - Laura Norvig

What's the limit for a What'sApp group? - Francine Hardaway

GangSpeak - Tina Chase Gillmor

Or we use GroupMe for SXSW - Francine Hardaway

Hangouts - Kevin Marks

Hangouts could work - Francine Hardaway

hangouts has so many problems that is solved by newtek - Michael Roberts

Hangouts would be good. - Kevin Bryan

Pardon? - Francine Hardaway

Chris Hale - friend request me on FB if you use it - Tina Chase Gillmor

You missed the early chat about hookers and blow, Francine - Tom Guarriello

hangouts is not good. for this show. - Michael Roberts

Tina, my facebook id is chris.a.hale. https://www.facebook.com/Chris... - Chris Hale

Ahh, I get a lot of that on NoAgenda show. It's all about hookers and blow some days - Francine Hardaway

yes, Francine it was a colorful discussion - Tina Chase Gillmor

"Hangry" - Darius Dunlap

FF seems to be the best candidate right now, low barrier to entry and simple. The other suggestions are more complex - Matt Hicks

I'll listen to the reording - Francine Hardaway

I missed the first 20 minutes. It was going great guns when I joined. - Darius Dunlap

IPO window might be closing = VC window also closing - Francine Hardaway

So I've got to go backhand listen, too. - Darius Dunlap

What's fragmention? - Francine Hardaway

Check post on Kevin's blog... - Darius Dunlap

yes!! - Michael Roberts

http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014... - Darius Dunlap

I like the bottoms up approach idea! - Michael Roberts

Have a great weekend guys...thanks as always. - J.C. Bouvier

fragmention.com too - Kevin Marks

A GG pre-announcement would be great! - Tom Guarriello

Don't forget me!!! - Francine Hardaway

Chis Hale we are now "friends" - Tina Chase Gillmor

Thx Kevin - Francine Hardaway

The tricaster is great.. I wish I had one. - Michael Roberts

FF / Tornado now v3.2 http://www.tornadoweb.org/ - clive boulton

Excellent Gang - Tom Guarriello

I appreciate it! - Francine Hardaway

;-) Good stuff - Ian McGee

I'm glad I caught some of it - Francine Hardaway

:) - Charlie Isaacs

Glad you made it Francine. - Ian McGee

The identity stuff and pivot to enterprise pov was terrific. - clive boulton

GG for me is the best insight into Silicon Valley.. So happy Steve continues to do the show..and glad its supported now.. been..listening since you guys started. - Michael Roberts

GG counts to why SFDC has enterprise growth like consumer - clive boulton

thanks to all - Tina Chase Gillmor

thank you for those kind words Michael Roberts - Tina Chase Gillmor

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