GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT

It'll be slightly weird show for me today. Looks like my computer took a hit during our electrical brouhaha last night. I'll monitor chat from my iPad but won't get a chance to participate much. It would mean taking my hands off the control board too much. Boo-hoo. - Tina Chase Gillmor

i'm here - Keith Teare

I am also here. Hello, Keith! - John Taschek

No video yet? - Jim McCusker

I am here. - Francine Hardaway

Hi John - Keith Teare

Ok we are going to on board now - Tina Chase Gillmor

Sorry for delay - Tina Chase Gillmor

Blown computer got us funky - Tina Chase Gillmor

hello - Kevin Marks

yikes, sounds scary - Kevin Marks

Hope you had surge protectors with all of that equipment. - Jim McCusker

Kevin do you see skype call coming in? - Tina Chase Gillmor

nope - Kevin Marks

Have you guys talked about the Coin credit card idea (all credit cards on one card)? https://onlycoin.com/ - Jim McCusker

Kevin please call on newsgangthree - Tina Chase Gillmor

Hi gang...sorry to hear about your CPU @ Tina, speedy recovery...I just took my Mid 2011 iMac apart in an attempt to fix the well known noisy hard drive issue - an "advanced" procedure as OWC calls it, only to put Humpty Dumpty back together and find the infuriating grumble still present. :( - J.C. Bouvier

it says it's offline, tina - Kevin Marks

Standby kevin - Tina Chase Gillmor

hm. or does it think I'm online - Kevin Marks

er offline - Kevin Marks

hang on - Kevin Marks

OK try now - Kevin Marks

Ok - Tina Chase Gillmor

Trying - Tina Chase Gillmor

All good, Gang? - Ludwig Ederle

im stopping my breaking bad marathon for the show, thats how MUCH i like the show... haha - Matthew Voshell

Matthew - your taste creed just declined 10 points - Keith Teare

cred - Keith Teare

for breaking bad? or for choosing the show over it? ha - Matthew Voshell

There you are! - Jim McCusker

All live! - Ian Waring

News of the week is that the Dylan album comes on a USB stick in a Harmonica - Ian Waring

Are you on some new tek all ready? - Ludwig Ederle

I'm getting bad audio intermittently - Kevin Marks

Sounds is good here - Jim McCusker

soft release - Jerome Hughes

Bob's a welder … http://www.dispatch.com/content... - Jerome Hughes

he coudl still buy snapchat personally - Kevin Marks

Matthew - for choosing this over it - Keith Teare

@kieth... thats fair... ha but what can i say.. i can't get enough of british accents and people talking about STEVE BALLMER - Matthew Voshell

Ian Steve will like that one - Tina Chase Gillmor

Amen Kevin...the alpha male over the top sales guy lives in automobiles, and less and less even there... - J.C. Bouvier

Sorry Kevin not seeing that - Tina Chase Gillmor

Sent it to Steve on Google+ :-) - Ian Waring

Long as it's OK on your end, I was getting crackly dropout on keith - Kevin Marks

at d7? when jobs and gates were on together, gates makes a point that desktops will always be around becuase the mobile screens arent big enough... I dont think he understoodd apps and what they do to clunky software - Matthew Voshell

Ballmer is yesterday's Playground Bully. Licensing Android? Pleaseeeee...... - Ian Waring

He misunderstood the degree to which consumers 'consumed' content from their computer; rather than created content (Office) - Jim McCusker

Ballmer still seems to be calling the shots... - Ian Waring

Gates is still on the board so it's hard to believe that he's not pulling strings also. - Jim McCusker

And Ballmer still on the board also - Ian Waring

Google looking for new distribution channels for Chrome Apps at the moment - Ian Waring

Office 365 actually works - Jim McCusker

Flipboard is now available on Windows 8. Woo-hoo! - Alex de Soto

All those interfaces are local to your device (DLL, COM+, ActiveX) - Jim McCusker

The best example of MSFT hardware integration w/the Net is Xbox - they got behind a consumer hardware product and won...do they have the vision/ability to innovate in an unimagined hardware form factor and own it? Or will they just be the Wal-Mart of software... - J.C. Bouvier

Without the Web Apps would be stuck in their own silo's, there would be no Notifications between Apps. The Web is the Glue! - Scott Jordan

What about RESTful APIs, JSON, etc.? You can do app to app communication that way, albeit usually at the server level. - Rob Underwood

Again all about microsoft? - Ludwig Ederle

Rob - that is true. - John Taschek

Ludwig - it's just that Ballmer was in the news - it's pretty big - a great interview in the WSJ - John Taschek

Transferring objects between apps (via URL's) still works. - Jim McCusker

@Steve isn't the Mac Business Unit just a legacy hedge vs. US anti-trust? Revenue-wise, maybe .1% of total office sales right? - J.C. Bouvier

There you go! - Jim McCusker

I am sure a coin discussion is inevitable, which seemed to be the big thing here in NYC yesterday, and I'm guessing in other tech hubs as well; personally I'd love to hear the gang's take on the things like #CSNYC, #hourofcode, and the movements around the country to get kids learning to code. Lots of activity in that area. - Rob Underwood

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-b... - Ian Waring

I think we've just been a bit ahead of the Journal - Tina Chase Gillmor

Looks like Jon Thompson was leading his push out - Ian Waring

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Jim McCusker

Chrome is becoming a headless API for JSON apps - Ian Waring

You've spoken about Android (Google), iOS (Apple) and Microsoft... sheesh.... - Jim McCusker

I zoned out like 10 min ago as i fill out paperwork... - Matthew Voshell

@Jim - $55 at a discount for Coin? Will you pay it? - J.C. Bouvier

Ugh... modeling a document in JSON sounds like a nightmare. - Jim McCusker

Not really just a database, but really an object model/ORM that abstracts the DB - such as ActiveRecord for Rails, Doctrine for something like Symfony, that in turn is exposed as an interface by a RESTful API. - Rob Underwood

@J.C. - Not after reading their FAQ which says it only lasts 2 years then you have to replace it. - Jim McCusker

I ordered 3 @coins for myself and my (adult) kids for Christmas - Francine Hardaway

@Jim so not worth it at $22.50 a year - you'd think they'd make the card free and work out and interchange deal ya? Strange... - J.C. Bouvier

But Word's document format isn't widely being interpreted by as many companies as HTML is. There's a big difference. - Jim McCusker

The NSA LOVES Skype!! :-) - Jim McCusker

yes, Jim, HTML is better than Word :D - Kevin Marks

@Ian ... +1 on this: "Chrome is becoming a headless API for JSON apps" - Rob Underwood

@J.C. - Still like the idea, but company isn't selling it correctly (yet). - Jim McCusker

Just had another Microsoft Outlook Ad berating Google Reading your email on my TV - Ian Waring

XBox One is more than a game console... unlike PS4 which is more of a gamers box - Jim McCusker

I have Chromecast and I just gave away my Kinect - Francine Hardaway

Look at CNet's (initial) comparison - Jim McCusker

I have Chromecast - just wish Google would ship it outside the USA. Works well in UK already - Ian Waring

And the Xbox UEX stinks. - christina sponselli

Even Amazon Kindle ads showing Mayday demo how to throw content onto a TV here - Ian Waring

New Samsung TV's have a lot of functionality - Jim McCusker

Chromecast means I've unplugged AppleTV and XBox - Kevin Marks

Any insight on the amazon tv offering? they hired the logitech google tv crew - Matthew Voshell

Watch the MS Demo.... not saying I like it, but it's definitely more than a gaming PC - Jim McCusker

Skype is built in too... - Matthew Voshell

AppleTV will be better next year Kevin - Francine Hardaway

Amazon recommending a Netgear Stream2TV box - Ian Waring

Yes, it seamlessly mixes broadcast TV, streamed TV, games, etc all together in one interface....which you can talk to (gimmick) - Jim McCusker

Breaking Bad App? I'd buy that - Matthew Voshell

Will Steam's hardware be a competitor to Xbox gaming market? - christina sponselli

Steam has a diehard following... they have a shot - Matthew Voshell

Google also frustrating Chromecast with still no API - Ian Waring

it has an API, just requires google whitelisting, which is frustrating - Kevin Marks

Orange is the new Black, House of Cards - Matthew Voshell

As John says, YouTube is part of Google's media play. They've set up production "spaces" for independents no? - Alex de Soto

Content creators want to bypass the networks ... that's the goal - Jim McCusker

Channels are going the way of DJs... it's just curation, and curation that is not valued unless extremely well done, and not limited by production company, etc. - Rob Underwood

Correct.... HBO is only relevant because of their own shows - Jim McCusker

Just like artists releasing direct to consumers through direct music sales on websites, itunes, etc..... video content producers will start making thier own apps where you can buy the content outright going around the gatekeepers - Matthew Voshell

Sort of like what MTV has become, HBO is moving in the same direction - Jim McCusker

Netflix is launching a new UEX that reflects the change in viewing habits in this post-disc world. For example, it will be easier to binge view shows. - christina sponselli

Distribution has shifted - Tina Chase Gillmor

I have a qustion.. 40 years ago you had to go to a department store to buy things because they ordered in bulk... now producers sell direct to consumers... video content is the last bastin of this thinking - Matthew Voshell

Now if we could just get rid of the local ISP monopolies we'd have faster & cheaper internet. - Jim McCusker

JJ Abrams is spielburg of TV ha - Matthew Voshell

Showtime is CBS Corp. Showtime has an app but you have to be a cable subscriber. - Alex de Soto

I don't think Spacey is interested in being a distributor so to speak - he said when he pitched the traditional networks, they only would sign for the pilot. Netflix saw the vision and said, we'll buy the series. That said, if you're in TV and you say to Kevin Spacey and David Fincher, yah, I'm gonna pass...you shouldn't have your job. - J.C. Bouvier

Bob Dylan selling tracks on USB sticks: http://www.bobdylan.com/us... - Ian Waring

Spader was great in "Lincoln"... he's making a comeback - Matthew Voshell

I love Homeland - Francine Hardaway

I'm trying to get up the courage to watch Game of Thrones - Francine Hardaway

I watched game of thrones the first episode and made it 5 min in and turned it off - Matthew Voshell

@Matt, he was, stole the show...so did that guy from G I R L S...Adam, had one line...and stole it. "you sir may be,...Fitted..." - J.C. Bouvier

Should we go hyper-nerd and explain that the correct way to refer to Game of Thrones is "A Song of Ice and Fire"? - Rob Underwood

HYPER NERD!! - J.C. Bouvier

Bourgios - Ian Waring

+1000 for Excalibur...now I have to go look at some period Hellen Mirren photos... - J.C. Bouvier

I'm waiting for more Orphan Black episodes. - Alex de Soto

I think we need to re-cast each of the Gillmor Gang as Game of Thrones characters. Who is Tyrion? - Rob Underwood

And now we digress..... - Jim McCusker

I LOVED Hatching Twitter. It was a ghastly back story - Francine Hardaway

There is still a 20 minute coin discussion to be had. - Rob Underwood

Hatching Twitter as Game of Thrones - Kevin Marks

Every company I've worked at is like "Disclosure" - Ian Waring

Google now bigger than the magazine industry - Ian Waring

It is incredible what happened at Twitter, and that nobody killed anyone - Francine Hardaway

Here's the chart (via avc.com): http://www.avc.com/a_vc... - Rob Underwood

@Rob - Hopefully! :) - Jim McCusker

Keith, many people doubt Blodget's figures - Francine Hardaway

Twitter is turning into a random comments spam feed, quality going - Ian Waring

Ian - is that true? Google bigger than all print publishing? - John Taschek

I'll go find the article ... - Ian Waring

Hey guys, I got my Nexus 5 and I am loving it - Francine Hardaway

I'm actually watching Gillmor Gang on a phone:-) - Francine Hardaway

@Francine lucky you! I have 2 on order - Jim McCusker

IM watching on ustream on iPad... but video/audio isnt in sync :/ - Matthew Voshell

http://www.businessinsider.com/google-... - Ian Waring

wish ustream was on roku... livestream already is.. and ESPN just landed on it too - Matthew Voshell

It's a good phone Jim - Francine Hardaway

Matthew, pause and start. It usually catches up - Keith Teare

Web browser apps are really for desktop/laptops.... apps rule mobile and will remain so - Jim McCusker

Google bigger than newspapers and print - http://www.businessinsider.com/google-... - Ian Waring

Snapchat? Assholes for refusing that offer - Francine Hardaway

Could SnapChat lose value by waiting?? Who's willing to bet? - Jim McCusker

@Francine...right? OMFG, I just looked up 'hubris' and there were these punk arseholes looking back at me...it's not worth 3B, and the worst thing, they're right not to sell, but it's still stupid...Facebook is trying to buy back tweens/teens...but for 3B? - J.C. Bouvier

It's the audience they want! That's the killer app.... audiences - Jim McCusker

Ofcourse it will lose value. Teens move on - Francine Hardaway

Whatsapp, Line, similar size. - Ian Waring

Private Twitter is chat - Jim McCusker

What'sApp is a private Twitter - Francine Hardaway

Cubed podcast covers the IMs - Ben-Evans.com - good commentary - Ian Waring

Wrong - Jim McCusker

Twitter one to many - Ian Waring

IMs tend to be 1 to 1 or 1 to few - Ian Waring

What'sApp also one to many - Francine Hardaway

And Snapchat isn't NSA-proof. - Alex de Soto

@Steve, what was the newsletter you just mentioned? Link pls? - J.C. Bouvier

Ballmers probably on LinkedIn - Ian Waring

Ty @Francine. - J.C. Bouvier

Jason Hirschorn's Media ReDef @JC - Francine Hardaway

hamburger blackmail won the night - flyinthesoup

Facebook is just buying time - Jim McCusker

How can they monetize? They can't advertise, because the chats go away - Francine Hardaway

SELL!! - J.C. Bouvier

Can I see when my friends are on SnapChat? I have no need to use it... - J.C. Bouvier

http://cubed.fm/2013... covers this - Ian Waring

Twitter? - Francine Hardaway

http://www.theverge.com/2013... - Jim McCusker

HOLY CRAP!! - J.C. Bouvier

They should sell now!! :-) - Jim McCusker

Facebook shares 4x as many photos as instagram - Ian Waring

Steve - Google appears to have offered $4 billion - Jim McCusker

@John, sure if you know GOOG is going to give you one more BILLION! Ha ha ha...madness. - J.C. Bouvier

not π billion? - Kevin Marks

@Ian - Yes, but Instagram has a higher number of photos in the younger demographics... - Jim McCusker

This is now all about money and not about the value of the asset - Francine Hardaway

What the hell will GOOG do w/SnapChat? Maybe they just need the damn write off... - J.C. Bouvier

http://www.today.com/enterta... - Kevin Marks

Snapchat has no value as a real business - Francine Hardaway

Google or Facebook buys Snapchat... they add small ads and try to monitize it's audience while it lasts - Jim McCusker

But you can't use Snapchat for something like that - Francine Hardaway

goog would route snapchat into hangouts/plus - Kevin Marks

they have the 'trust us to only show some people' thing as part of the plus thinking - Kevin Marks

@Kevin if the "man" forces the snapchat base into G+, they'll flee like rats from a sinking ship. - J.C. Bouvier

Tony Clifton - Matthew Voshell

Tony Clifton - Jim McCusker

Tony Clifton - Aron Michalski

I bought 3 - Francine Hardaway

Bitcoin? - Ian Waring

To coin I say "square" and "passbook" - J.C. Bouvier

Yea talk about that Verizon android tablet.... - Matthew Voshell

Verizon is secretly being run by Steve Ballmer - J.C. Bouvier

With Coin and Square Cash I can give up my wallet - Francine Hardaway

GREAT band name. Brilliant. "Daft Monopolists" - Rob Underwood

Coin - Well that was a quick discussion.. lol - Jim McCusker

Vodafone stopped taking Google Wallet paid by phone bills WW - Ian Waring

+1 "Daft Monopolists" - J.C. Bouvier

I assume Coin is a play to then start its own payments network. - Rob Underwood

Alledged fraud issues - Ian Waring

Great title for the show: Daft Monopolists - Alex de Soto

Not anymore, Kevin. Square cash allows people to pay each other by email - Francine Hardaway

With what, Ian? - Francine Hardaway

its NFC right? - Matthew Voshell

coin isn't NFC, it's magstripe - Kevin Marks

Vodafone Google Wallet - Ian Waring

So i can bump into you and charge you lots :) - Matthew Voshell

It lasts two years - Jim McCusker

Coin lasts two years based on 22 uses/day - Jim McCusker

Have a great weekend/week guys, until nxt time. - J.C. Bouvier

CC concerns are that we use a 4 digit PIN?!!? We are way behind europe on CC security - Matthew Voshell

Harris Teeter does - Matthew Voshell

Tap to pay is all over the UK - Francine Hardaway

It's crazy that US credit cards don't have the security that UK cards have - Jim McCusker

@Jim... yes! - Matthew Voshell

NFC is a banking solution to a problem folks don't have - Ian Waring

If there is still time, I nominate another topic to be Hour of Code, #CSNYC, getting kids coding, all the things going around in the US on this topic. - Rob Underwood

Will Healthcare.gov ever work? - Jim McCusker

Jim but it disables itself if it can't see your phone - Kevin Marks

@Kieth.. .the USA might Actually make it out of group play! - Matthew Voshell

It doesn't have to. There's a front end workaround - Francine Hardaway

the problem with tap to pay is tipping - Kevin Marks

Developed by 3 guys in SF called thehealthsherpa.com - Francine Hardaway

Called Cognitive Dissonance... :-) - Jim McCusker

I am hoping next World Cup Canada, Mexico and the US can field a single team. - Rob Underwood

Informed Ignorance - Jim McCusker

Gerrard?? i can't think of anyone else.. oh, Rooney... thats 2.. - Matthew Voshell

@Rob.. US team looks the best they have in 40 years - Matthew Voshell

Talk about Formula 1 racing next! :-) - Jim McCusker

We invite other countries into our World Series! - Ian Waring

Formula 1 versus England soccer - interesting mashup - John Taschek

Soccer and JSON "...shall be used for Good, not Evil." - Alex de Soto

Walking Dead on the TV here - Ian Waring

Rugby is a ruffians game played by gentlemen; Soccer (football) is a gentlemen's sport played by ruffians. - Jim McCusker

Rugby is played by men with odd shaped balls - Ian Waring

Moto G doesn't have 4G - Jim McCusker

Nexus 5 is better - Jim McCusker

$200 unlocked - Matthew Voshell

A discussion of how healthcare.gov is emblematic of what goes wrong in many huge IT projects would be a great topic for next week. It's almost text book. - Rob Underwood

nexus 5 is better but it's $350 not $180 - Kevin Marks

@Kevin.. whats up with your firefox OS phone? - Matthew Voshell

tradeoff - Kevin Marks

Smart phones selling for £50 now ($75 or so) - Ian Waring

I don;t use it Matther, keyboard isn't up to android standards - Kevin Marks

We needed Susan Crawford for FCC chair. - Rob Underwood

I have a $58 android from china with 2 sim slots - Kevin Marks

I want to know how they explain $500 million for Healthcare.gov - Jim McCusker

Too crowded! - Ian Waring

is it bad that i do the "tina wave" myself at home? - Matthew Voshell

I know a major Silicon Valley that spent $200M to stand up Oracle GL, AP, and AR. Not surprised by the $500m - Rob Underwood

G'night all! - Jim McCusker

Au revoir - Ian Waring

Good show chaps! - Daniel W. Crompton

A new chief sets out to fix monkey boy's vision https://msopentech.com/nodehac... - clive boulton

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