Gillmor Gang Live Friday 01.09.15 LIVE rec

in some ways, yes it simplifies the web but it i think the point Steve G keeps making about the importance of notifications as part of that simplification is starting to get seriously cluttered. - Chris Hale

App bubble in the tech economy about to shrink or burst? - christina sponselli

Apple app designers currently having robust debate about economics of today's app world - Tom Guarriello

did yall hear that figure that just came out that the IOS app store clears like 500k a week worldwide? - Chris Hale

Interesting that the clues harp on apps and ads but don't have anything to say about "public relations" - Frank Paynter

Yes, some apps also support those Values... Think reading and sharing apps that allow various workflows for bookmarking, organizing, research, writing, thinking.... - Darius Dunlap

Brands need to stop advertising to Consumers and engage with us more on mobile. If they do that then they will get our name, our payment details and our chat walls - Moe Glitz

Steve, i tweeted you a link to a picture of the Cluetrain Books- the original and the 10th anniversary update - Dale Lature

Frank, we hoped that jpeople could take the too many clues, and run off and add their own. We actually took on PR pretty bluntly in Cluetrain the book. Didn't want to repeat ourselves. - Doc

2015 iOS based Macbook coming -- (a definite maybe) -- no App bubble! - clive boulton

i think the problem is that technology can do some scary stuff and there is very little governance about limits to how advertisers should use data they have collected. I think don't be creepy never enters advertisers minds. They really need to think about this stuff more - Chris Hale

Maybe the app bubble is apps available only in company stores. - Doc

Beacons - Moe Glitz

cat pulled my headphones out - Kevin Marks

1:30 in Santa Barbara is leaf blowing time. Damn. So noisy... - Doc

+1 Doc. Salesforce apps! - clive boulton

Cats taking over the internet. - Alex de Soto

minimum viable centralization (nice one Doc) - clive boulton

centralization problem, it sucks all the profits from the edges and connections (music industry) - clive boulton

That was Brian Behlendorf's line, clive. Credit where due. - Doc

homphily, that's called. Ethan Zuckerman's Rewire book. - Doc

Is Steve still here? - Doc

Steve's been disappeared... - Tom Guarriello

The next mobile app that can create the best Brand Experience between Consumers & Businesses. Will become the next pillar of Social Media beside Facebook & Twitter for Brands - Moe Glitz

Everybody is now this guy: http://www.acceler8or.com/tags... - Doc

Brian Behlendorf's MVC line concise business plan for startup - clive boulton

All the stuff hanging off that guy is on your phone now. - Doc

May even be featured on Brands labels - Moe Glitz

hm. the version I reposted still hase the evil inclinations bit http://www.kevinmarks.com/newclue.... - Kevin Marks

This is not an all-happy wall: http://www.truste.com/us-cons... - Doc

i really feel like i wish more stuff on phones was centralized - Chris Hale

the problem I have with RSS isn't the web - Kevin Marks

like, i have 6 apps to run all the automation devices for my apartment - Chris Hale

not good for simple home automation - Chris Hale

and id still love one app that i use for any text based communication with people - Chris Hale

since now there seems to be 50 ways to contact people, sms, tweet, fb , google+, whatsapp, yo, and too many more - Chris Hale

Chewing the fats - Moe Glitz

people navigate those deliberately though - Kevin Marks

deep linking is good but not a cure for this problem - Chris Hale

Apps are the new TV - Moe Glitz

Growth at firms like Salesforce will peter out w/o decentralizing SaaS. Mobile apps case in point. - clive boulton

i know Kevin,but from an efficiency and overal user experience it is kinda sucky - Chris Hale

Chris Hale - Tantek has an interesting concept, the contact page as an app... http://tantek.com/contact.html - Darius Dunlap

the silos don't want you to interoperate though - Kevin Marks

http://tantek.com/2014... - Darius Dunlap

there was a point where they were all using xmpp, but they forked - Kevin Marks

Like TV - Moe Glitz

yes darius - Kevin Marks

+1 david! - Doc

yeah Kevin. I hear ya. I have been considering building my own app this whole thing irks me that much. Thats part of why i built my own home automation framework. Everyone elses system has a lot of gaps - Chris Hale

silos need incentives to interoperate (Judy's built Epic Systems EHR profits on silos) - clive boulton

Thank you Steve! Authoring today is easier for the average human being! - Simon Benvenutto

I do wish folks wouldn't perpetrate the idea the GoDaddy crap sandwich is inevitable. Support and promote Hover.com and other good vendors. - Darius Dunlap

do you think people want more apps or less apps? - Chris Hale

More Chris - Moe Glitz

are we still on the air? - Doc

can you hera us? - Kevin Marks

They don't search on Mobile - Moe Glitz

Not here - Tom Guarriello

i am middle of the road. Sometimes i get frustrated when i look at my app screen and see apps. I find myself having to use spotlight search on my iphone almost all the time to find a particular app - Chris Hale

oops. feed down - Darius Dunlap

Down in London - Moe Glitz

Steve just cut out in UK - Simon Benvenutto

are we dark on the 'cast? - Doc

hang on, the tricaster crashed - Kevin Marks

rebooting - Kevin Marks

Steve is rebooting us. - Doc

Yep, Chris. likewise here... - Darius Dunlap

But the best apps really do provide a better workflow and experience. - Darius Dunlap

aha. I finally figured out how to get on the backchannel. I want a badge. - david weinberger

Especially for those of us who want to do more than read and listen. - Darius Dunlap

Will iOS Macbook take us further down the rabbit hole... - clive boulton

Steve thinks we're 90 secs away from reboot - david weinberger

+1 david - Alex de Soto

no such thing, Clive. - Darius Dunlap

Meanwhile, Doc seems to have invited a leafblower into his living room - david weinberger

It's the sponsor's fault... - Doc

Welcome to the REAL Gillmor Gang, David - Tom Guarriello

The five of us are taking the opportunity to swig some cheap bourbon - david weinberger

ARe we back? - Doc

I never thought the web was particularly democratic: it is server centric, you always surf alone, you need an IP, HTML skills, etc. Nowhere near as democratic as a free, open, P2P medium such as CB radio :) that's yet to be realised, on a global scale. - Simon Benvenutto

We seem to be up on ustream. No? - david weinberger

But an iPad, especially when outfitted with a keyboard (because I'm an old guy who types fast) is a really useful tool. - Darius Dunlap

refresh ustream to see us - Kevin Marks

Video no audio - Tom Guarriello

Not yet, Darius - Apple keeps back fitting iOS features to OS X... - clive boulton

Steve, we lost you when you were commenting about Facebook and video. - christina sponselli

yes - Keith Teare

steve is initializing tricaster. a few more secs - david weinberger

no volume - clive boulton

Still no audio here - Tom Guarriello

no audio for me - Graham Zulauf

working on the vid - david weinberger

can you hear us? - david weinberger

Yep, no audio here, either - Darius Dunlap

an you see us? - david weinberger

Tommy? - david weinberger

Yep - Darius Dunlap

yes - Dale Lature

yes - clive boulton

(old man reference) - david weinberger

Audio is back - Alex de Soto

Sound back! - Simon Benvenutto

how about video? - david weinberger

Yes...it's Pink Floyd... - Tom Guarriello

audio is back for me - Graham Zulauf

we hear you - clive boulton

video is working - Graham Zulauf

Steve=Pinball Wizard? - christina sponselli

Yep, Clive. But that's a long way from "iOS Mac". They're not dumbing down the mac, but bringing some really useful integration to the workflow of multiple devices. - Darius Dunlap

ah ha, you're still there! - Laura Norvig

So weird. We've NEVER had the Tricaster fail like that. It wasn't our power. - Tina Chase Gillmor

and some more levels of control via app store in Mac OS X - david weinberger

email, and even newsgroups... :-) - Darius Dunlap

I just love the way Kevin says "Twitter". ;-) - Tina Chase Gillmor

There's too many Apps on iOS and Android for someone to ignore bringing apps to the desktop. - clive boulton

Totally agree with Kevin... Ev does a nice job taking about some of this in his recent post. - Darius Dunlap

As long as their friends are there. - christina sponselli

I agree the app stores and the web in general are becoming very nanny state, its less about communicating and more about transacting, which is sad... that's the price we are paying for great cheap infrastructure, compared to 15 years ago. - Simon Benvenutto

Well said, Keith - Tom Guarriello

+1 david weinberger "some more levels of control via app store in Mac OS X" - clive boulton

Yep, Simon and David... agree about App Stores. They (especially Apple) need to think deeply about what they are for and how they should work for users. - Darius Dunlap

That flavor of idealism is hard to imagine amongst human beings, Keith - Tom Guarriello

Tom - I'm still hoping :-) - Keith Teare

And, I applaud you for it, K - Tom Guarriello

Missing from enterprise is some way to orchestrate apps into a suite collection on/off the desktop - clive boulton

slack does that to some extent - Kevin Marks

Aren't we dependent on the control of ISPs anyway? - Alex de Soto

looking at slack - thx Kevin - clive boulton

Human beings are imperfect. But the New Clues remind people who weren't there at the beginning that there WAS a philosophy - Francine Hardaway

A lot of it has to do with being right. - Darius Dunlap

Dave's listicle was easier to read. - Francine Hardaway

Thanks, francine - david weinberger

I shared it with people who said tl;dr - Kevin Marks

+1 Francine - Tom Guarriello

It's related to Powerpoint - Francine Hardaway

yep, like the listicle - Laura Norvig

+1 on the philosophy, not specifically the listicle - Tom Guarriello

Dave's a talented guy. I just wished he worked and played well with others - Francine Hardaway

It makes the Cluetrain a franchise, like Terminator - Francine Hardaway

Or, Hunger Games! - Tom Guarriello

They're baaaaaack! - Tina Chase Gillmor

chrome team is working at bringing Android Apps to chromebook. Apple / MSFT can't ignore. - clive boulton

Lovely irony - Darius Dunlap

That's small m vs. Medium - Tom Guarriello

One could compete with Medium with Large. - Doc

I LOVE Medium. But I've always been a Ev product fan - Francine Hardaway

“Live the values you want the Internet to promote.” http://www.kevinmarks.com/newclue.... - Kevin Marks

Is that like being the change you'd like to see? - Francine Hardaway

I made it look worse http://www.kevinmarks.com/newclue... - Kevin Marks

:D - Kevin Marks

That's one of my favorites, too, Kevin. That's the Gandhi Clue - Tom Guarriello

Still prefer tumblr to medium - clive boulton

Don't leave any ice picks around, Keith. - Doc

Keith Teare: Venture Trotskyist - Kevin Marks

Did you get approval on piece before Medium published it? - christina sponselli

Keith is way left - Tina Chase Gillmor

when Keith says "can I pick your brain", watch out - Kevin Marks

It's always a question of size ;-) - Tina Chase Gillmor

Heyo! Trotsky jokes, amirite? - david weinberger

Trotsky was "picked" he never did the "picking" :-) - Keith Teare

+1 for Kevin's Venture trotskyite - david weinberger

Oh crap, we're all gonna die - Tina Chase Gillmor

Fuck those yellow spores! Hooyah! - david weinberger

I told you: Hunger Games!!! - Tom Guarriello

Medium too trendy already. Used to be cool ... - Laura Norvig

If I bring a smile to Doc's lips ikt's all been worthwhile - david weinberger

see http://indiewebcamp.com/site-de... - Kevin Marks

Doc's right. It keeps moving - Francine Hardaway

Medium: nobody goes there anymore...it's too crowded - Tom Guarriello

I agree with Doc, and I'm hopeful, but in human society there are always those looking to profit from manipulating the system. - Darius Dunlap

It's not about apps. It's about open vs. closed. - david weinberger

And individual vs. copllaborative - david weinberger

And consume vs create - david weinberger

An app world that did that would be fine - david weinberger

It's closed that doesn't survive. THat's why the companies fall - Francine Hardaway

I thought Medium is how you deal with site-deaths. - Todd Hoff

I want an app that eats itself and leaves crumbs on my screen. - Doc

My favorite apps are all about that, David. And they are mostly on Mac and iOS. - Darius Dunlap

Apps are a red herring that the New Clues raise -- but it's a herring that stands fsor an important school o fish - david weinberger

are there apps that are open that aren't just glorified web interfaces ...? - Laura Norvig

Yep, David. - Darius Dunlap

Back we go to notifications - Francine Hardaway

+ 1 Keith. iOS back-fitted to OS X and swallows apps (or makes apps available on desktop) - clive boulton

Yeah, Dudes. What about notifications? - Tina Chase Gillmor

Clue 125: Notifications are Conversations - Doc

"Companies make a religion of security, but this is largely a giant red herring. Do you know how tough it is to worship a giant red herring?" - Gluetrain - Kevin Marks

Cool addition, Doc - Tom Guarriello

it's being managed by Scarlett Johansen. duh. - Laura Norvig

Clue 126: No, wait, conversations are notifications. - david weinberger

The Gluetrain was fun. We need him back for New Clues. - Doc

Steve has enterprise instincts. - clive boulton

"Markets are money." - Gluetrain (I think) - Doc

Actually, David, that's traditionally more true - Francine Hardaway

+1 Gluetrain. We need New Glues - david weinberger

Tina, I have to drop off at 2.35 - Keith Teare

Keith, you've got 10 minutes - Francine Hardaway

Gluetrain is excellent! - Tom Guarriello

Steve it's 2:23.... We're probably at 1:18 of actual show - Tina Chase Gillmor

Glad David is expanding on this... "App" as a proxy for something bigger - Darius Dunlap

Kevin's train of thought, snowballs for open source enterprise apps - clive boulton

Are we ahead? - Francine Hardaway

Have a great weekend all! - J.C. Bouvier

Good point, Francine. I think so. The clues are in the apps... - clive boulton

Next time, David, we talk Heidegger! - Tom Guarriello

Clue #127: Are you the armadillo or are you the bike? - david weinberger

Clue 128: What?? - david weinberger

https://twitter.com/_danilo... - Kevin Marks

you just daleked out for me - Kevin Marks

What happened to the housekeeping? - Francine Hardaway

Name this show: Venture Trotskyist's - clive boulton

Can you still hear us? - david weinberger

no - Francine Hardaway

nope, feed is dead - Darius Dunlap

great show.......hanging on every word.......thanks Doc and Dave, and Keith, Steve, and Kevin....great conversations - Dale Lature

+1 "Can you still hear us? - clive boulton

the backchannel lives. - Doc

I really think GG should have an "AfterDark", at least for the live listeners. ;-) - Darius Dunlap

Unfortunately, I've got to run. Ciao, all! - Darius Dunlap

There's usually a brief check-in with the faces on the show before turning it off. That went fast this time. - Doc

Sorry I joined thischat so late. - david weinberger

Okay, I need to disassemble this rig on a drawer and move the laptop. Been great, everybody. - Doc

But thanks for it. - david weinberger

Apparently I have to clean up my office. - david weinberger

So long. - david weinberger

bye chaps - Kevin Marks

bye - Doc

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