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am bored now...
- Nick Halstead
audio working?
- dlature
I was about to say I have no audio either
- Stephen Pickering
can't hear ya guys
- dlature
oh - thought it was just me
- Nick Halstead
No audio here either
- PXLated
no static no nothing
- dlature
+1 no audio
- Richard
@stevegillmor hm, we can hear each other OK, but audience can't
- Kevin Marks
@kevin - I dont really have time to learn to lip-read :)
- Nick Halstead
anyone working on the audio?
- Jim Posner
obviously not!
- Nick Halstead
can hear now
- Richard
yep
- dlature
thx
- Jim Posner
oh were talking about @flipboard
- Nick Halstead
It is awesome
- Stephen Pickering
what is it?
- Xenophrenia
Cool - Doc's on.
- PXLated
it looks nice - but read this -> http://nickhalstead.com/flipboa...
- Nick Halstead
Are they developing a web ui for flipboard?
- Jim Posner
they are going to facing some serious lawsuits
- Xenophrenia
they were talking about it on this week in law today
- Xenophrenia
it isnt a news reader - it is a new way of viewing Twitter - I agree with Scoble on that
- Nick Halstead
The key to this thing is the interface, and it re engages me to my social graph
- Stephen Pickering
Interesting app for sure..kind of sad that it is siloed into the iPad.
- Jim Posner
what about people who don't have ipads?
- Xenophrenia
It's made for the pad form factor
- Stephen Pickering
I have an iPad but would like to use it on my desktop as well.
- Jim Posner
this is all great but they are facing some major lawsuits due to their scraping and getting rid of the ads on the content
- Xenophrenia
@xeno - agreed
- Nick Halstead
Maybe I can write a web app that scrapes the flipboard api :-)
- Jim Posner
It's not just pretty. The content leaps off the page, I find my self discovering and reading content I never would have before
- Stephen Pickering
maybe they should have talked to lawyers before they released it though ; )
- Xenophrenia
it is essentially a media player
- Jim Posner
@stephen - my only issue (because I do like it) - is that I do find a lot of irrelevance, i.e. twitpics + things when people who are in the list - that dont share something relevant to the list they have been placed within
- Nick Halstead
@stephen and it doesnt de-duplicated stories
- Nick Halstead
@Nick Yeah, but I bet it gets better about that, and for 1.0 its benefits to me far outway those downsides. And those downsides exist in the existing vertical feeds as well.
- Stephen Pickering
@stephen agreed - if you read my blog post - I say that it is for me a totally new way to interact with twitter feed - I just hope they add more functionality so I can drop my current twitter clients
- Nick Halstead
clearly there is a market for better ui's for consuming content..browser seems to have failed us and not scaled with the content.
- Jim Posner
Flipboard is the new fax publishing?
- Kevin Marks
Clearly though, this is something that eventually can be done in HTML5
- Stephen Pickering
or is Flipboard like Google Fastflip, but with an actual design sensibility?
- Kevin Marks
@kevin no - it is a twitter / facebook client with a new kind of visualisation - I dont think of it as a news reader
- Nick Halstead
Kevin, could be, they definitely have the design nailed. It brings a sense of legitimacy to the social graph, that encourages engagement
- Stephen Pickering
It brings news reader functionality to the mainstream. Only geeks use rss readers
- Stephen Pickering
ooops
- Stephen Pickering
whoops, there she goes
- Richard
now nobody is ; )
- Xenophrenia
whoops...lost feed
- dlature
Scoble's excitement killed the feed!
- Stephen Pickering
there we go...back
- dlature
arghhhhh
- dlature
trying to get it back up ... hang on
- Tina Chase Gillmor
very cool twitter visualization if you haven't seen this http://mashable.com/2010...
- Jim Posner
I can't resist, "That's what he said"
- Stephen Pickering
are they going to talk about the content scraping?
- Nick Halstead
when they get done being so excited about it maybe .. ; )
- Xenophrenia
scoble's video looks like he is coming from the space station
- Jim Posner
one man's 'content scraping' is another man's custom browser
- Kevin Marks
@kevin not sure NYTimes etc will see it that way - right or wrong
- Nick Halstead
@Nick then in the long run, NYtimes engagement will continue to go down
- Stephen Pickering
The value of an ad on NYtimes is in how much trust we feel in their brand as a whole
- Stephen Pickering
yes - you are held hostage to the providers
- Xenophrenia
I am inside one of the executive officers inside the USS Midway aircraft carrier.
- Robert Scoble
@stephen this sort of app is the future for NYTimes and others - but it needs a licensing model that right now does not exist
- Nick Halstead
@robert try not to launch any missiles ;)
- Nick Halstead
if you want the information you have to give up your information - if you want to remain uninformed you can keep your information
- Xenophrenia
The NYtimes and big media as a whole can stand that one of your social graph's tweets has equal footing to you as one of their stories
- Stephen Pickering
Xenophrenia: bing! I think everyone here is overthinking it.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: in Flipboard the content that gets engaged with appears more often and larger. That freaks people out.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Doc, Steve, how are things?
- Jesse Stay
; ) ... the only problem Robert is that so many aren't 'aware' of what they are giving up ... seamless makes it invisible to the average user ... which may or not be okay ...
- Xenophrenia
If Big Media can give up their "Ego" and stand on the integrity of their content, they can move forward, if not they'll continue to sink
- Stephen Pickering
@xeno sorry - but TV channels watch our viewing behaviour - what is the difference?
- Nick Halstead
there is more information about people online then what they are viewing ... and many don't 'know' what they are offering
- Xenophrenia
I like Robert because he doesn't join until he's been fully convinced. I'm on that bandwagon. I'll switch when it's better.
- Jesse Stay
Nice Kevin! Put that back up....
- Chris Aldrich
that just sounds wrong ; )
- Xenophrenia
it allows everyone to have access
- Xenophrenia
status symbols - are often somewhat shallow too ... just saying ; ) ...
- Xenophrenia
substance over appearance - apple does both but many those that use them have them to 'look' good - i prefer those that are good not just look good ; )
- Xenophrenia
What's the parking lot outside the Gillmor Gang studios look like?
- Matt Terenzio
Evo is the worst device I've used in a long time. It is dead by noon.
- Jesse Stay
My parking lot has my bike in it...
- Kevin Marks
I want to work at a place that has no parking lot.
- Matt Terenzio
But Kevin, is it a Ross Apollo 5 speed or a Schwinn Sting Ray?
- Matt Terenzio
The Key thing that Steve Jobs has done not to repeat the 90s is keeping prices in line. 40% margins instead of 55% margins
- Stephen Pickering
kevin - substance over appearance ... ; ) too many judge by appearance ... part of the problem i have with fanboys of any kind
- Xenophrenia
Meanwhile MSFT had their best quarter ever.
- Stephen Pickering
There's a bike shop right opposite my office: http://cognitioncyclery.com/
- Kevin Marks
there is a lot of good being said about msft's new phone software
- Xenophrenia
Xbox?
- Jesse Stay
no one talks about Nokia...ever
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Sync?
- Jesse Stay
Android is the future
- Tim Jones
If Apple goes Verizon, game over
- Stephen Pickering
kevin - you saying you're not substance but convenience ; )?
- Xenophrenia
Stephen, they will - watch January
- Jesse Stay
might too late when iPhone goes VZW
- Tim Jones
Jesse, I totally believe it. It's like when they went to Intel.
- Stephen Pickering
It's an exciting time to have a phone - we just need more flexibility so we can try them all out
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, Jesse, this contract thing, especially 2yr contract is out dated
- Stephen Pickering
new Skype rocks - multitasking has made such a big difference
- Nick Halstead
(on iPhone 4)
- Nick Halstead
I don't think contracts will go away for awhile unfortunately - the cell companies are way too competitive
- Jesse Stay
mobile web is the future. powerful phones, faster networks, robust mobile browsers, bigger screens
- Tim Jones
Surprised Ray Ozzie hasn't had much of an impact.
- Jim Posner
Skype on Droid insists I turn off Wifi or it won't run; some Verizon backroom deal
- Kevin Marks
Scoble is an iPad-ist!
- Chris Aldrich
If we ever have Wifi Ubiquity, how about making the iTouch like the phone and just using something like Skype for your phone?
- Stephen Pickering
Apple will always be innovators. Google thus far have been followers.
- Jesse Stay
they get attention for the new category with bright and shiny pretty things - that work ...
- Xenophrenia
Stephen, thats exactly what I've been doing with Android tablets and @ribbit this week
- Kevin Marks
that encourage people not to think about what they're using ... sometimes stopping and thinking is not a bad thing
- Xenophrenia
But innovating at what Jesse? Generally, they're more innovative at design than they are at engineering or creation.
- Chris Aldrich
Jesse, I think Google is just as innovative. Take Chrome for example, way better, take Android, if it weren't for Android, no push back for Apple
- Stephen Pickering
Apple opens markets, Microsoft and Google dominates them
- Tim Jones
Kevin, Cool!
- Stephen Pickering
Chris, I mean in product. Google copies product and often makes it better (not always though)
- Jesse Stay
Of course, you're comparing apples with googles! They're really vastly different companies doing different things. One is more of a hardware company and the other software,
- Chris Aldrich
I think Google is equally as great a Company as Apple. I love them both. I don't know why people love one and hate the other so much.
- Stephen Pickering
but without the blockbuster netbook, doubtful Apple would have tried to intro a product that Apple is trying to counter the netbook with
- Tim Jones
It would be interesting to see what might happen at Apple if they allowed their workers to do 20% projects....
- Chris Aldrich
Agree with @stevegillmor that calling over Wifi is the future of telephony
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, cool, free us from the cell phone oligarchies
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, I'm not saying one is better than another. I'm just saying that Apple previously has proven better at innovation. Google is good at making the things others have built better though (to an extent).
- Jesse Stay
tried the video calling years ago and now with Facetime, not too big with the whole video calling though
- Tim Jones
kevin - this ties really, really well with century of the self - in almost scary ways ... exciting and scary
- Xenophrenia
If we could only realize Claude Shannon's dream... cell phones would be much more interesting communications devices.
- Chris Aldrich
I like Google, Apple, and Facebook, all companies that are "into" what they are doing
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, so do I
- Jesse Stay
I am certainly not a fanboy of any single one (although looking at what I'm wearing I now have an Apple hat on with a Facebook F8 shirt) :-)
- Jesse Stay