Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 11

I wonder if I can view the Gillmor Gang on my iPad today.. I'll see if I can find a way (besides remotely connecting to another computer. - Kevin Costain

No, not yet. We don't have that set up with Ustream yet. - Cliff Gerrish

Not so much in Safari.. lol - http://twitpic.com/1pql0v - Kevin Costain

I'm also trying the Ustream iPhone app too, I can't seem to find this channel in the application, maybe that's another thing you have to setup from you're end.... - Kevin Costain

I'm hanging out waiting for the call. - Robert Scoble

Kevin: yup, one thing to get on the iPhone app is you have to use Ustream's application, not the webpage for streaming. I'm not sure if Gillmor is setup with that yet. Also, you have to broadcast in 4:3 if I remember right. - Robert Scoble

Kevin - I think UStream broke the search on their app - I can;t find many shows on the UStream app. It used to work great. - Rob La Gesse

Hi from Tel Aviv. Can't believe my timing might actually work out. - Aron Michalski

Yea, Rob and Robert: I installed the Ustream iPhone app, but i can't seem to find the Gillmor Gang by searching.. seems very limited as far as finding shows.. - Kevin Costain

We're not set up with them yet. - Cliff Gerrish

Froyo has me reassessing my next iPhone purchase. I'm due for an upgrade this June. Contract's up. I love the competition. Hope Google IO will be discussed. - Rolf Schewe

In time, Cliff, I look forward to it.. having the iPad on the side while I chat.. perfect way to go. Oh, by the way, here's what I get from a search in the Ustream app: http://twitpic.com/1pqmwj - Kevin Costain

Cliff, let us know, I'm curious to see of it works with the N1 Android version. - Aron Michalski

It's Gillmor Gang time: http://bit.ly/aG9Sv4 me, @stevegillmor @Scobleizer @jyri and @ajkeen - Kevin Marks

No lead in music? :( - Kevin Costain

Music is added in post. - Cliff Gerrish

You can hum the theme. - Cliff Gerrish

I could ask someone else to hum it while I play pacman.. haha - Kevin Costain

We're going to restart after we get Kevin's sound sorted. - Cliff Gerrish

We should get rid of the banner that says every thursday at 1pm pacific, ya? - beersage

I like it - it's our goal to be confusing :) - Rob La Gesse

The banner is right every so once in a while. - Cliff Gerrish

:) You did make one mistake though. You let Andrew Keen back on ;) - beersage

Gillmor Gang recording session live now w/ Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, Scoble and Jyri Engestrom at http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

I'm waiting for Comcast (i.e. NBC) and the others to start blocking the Google TV device to prevent access - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Seems like the large screen (3 screens and a cloud) won't use a keyboard or mouse. - Cliff Gerrish

Ah ha! - Gillmor Gang on an iPad. :) http://twitpic.com/1pqpvb - Kevin Costain

well, it's android based - so nothing is preventing them from setting up the remote interface on a Android Tablet - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

http://www.flickr.com/photos... - how many buttons? - Kevin Marks

Nice! Kevin - glad to hear we're iPad compatible - Cliff Gerrish

android remotes is great for personalization (needed since multiple people using), and the remote wars will undergo a radical shift. Can't wait. - Ian McGee

Google TV, and the ideas behind it are wayyyy overdue.. - Kevin Costain

Google TV is a good conversation starter. But it hasn't settled anything. - Cliff Gerrish

The trouble is the separation between the web and TV.. regular people don't understand that.. I don't kno if it will ever really be a seamless thing.. - Kevin Costain

How does Google TV compare to Vudu (owned by Walmart), which is embedding this stuff in pretty much everybody's TV sets other than Sony... LG, Samsung, Toshiba, Sanyo... - Ken Sheppardson

It's going to continue to be product placement. - Aron Michalski

Ken: Vudu looks like a custom UI (http://www.vudu.com/product...). like many before them.. - Kevin Costain

Agree with Steve; CEO was a weak way to end the keynote - Ian McGee

The different (if there is one) seems to be they're embedding the functionallity in the TV sets - Ken Sheppardson

Television is two-way, brains aren't switched off. See McLuhan. - Cliff Gerrish

The Google TV demo was hilarious, with all the daytime TV upstaging the presenters - Kevin Marks

The products have to be part of the content or it will never be seen. Look at some of the FX shows, filled with GM cars, making the GPS part of the plot, etc... - Aron Michalski

They are all trying to target the non-baby-boomer market that are very used to browsing the web on phones and non-computer interfaces and who are not using the TV for consumption (except for video games) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

LOL Keven: still waiting to see how Kevin Costner cleans up the oil with Charmin - Ian McGee

The large screen used to be a television. Now it's the large Network screen - TV absorbed into all screen sizes. - Cliff Gerrish

Web.TV was a huge hit, right? :) - Rob La Gesse

Anyone have a link about the Comcast check-in thing? - Ross Mayfield

are people forgetting that even Jobs has been down this path with the AppleTV? The difference is that unlike the AppleTV, which was very closed and Mac centric, is that GoogleTV is open and uses the web for it's sources - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Scoble's couch has been completely transformed by technology. - Cliff Gerrish

There are all sorts of things wrong with my AppleTV, and nobody is fixing it - Ross Mayfield

and flatulence - Rob La Gesse

what about those people who don't live on a couch? - Aron Michalski

Can you browse at, at the very least, non flash websites using Apple TV? - Kevin Costain

only with a hacked AppleTV @kevin - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

This is the thing.. what about taking a real browser (that can be updated) and letting a TV viewer actually use it - and update it as the web change. .I think this is an amazing idea.. - Kevin Costain

The Network is right for the Large Screen via API/App, but the browser is the wrong interaction metaphor. - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff: You may be right about the browser - there is little learning curve for a user - but at the same time it's so clunky on a TV. - Kevin Costain

Does anyone have a link to the Android Web Store? Is that live yet? - Kevin Costain

looking forward to the time that GG is available on my iPad....for now, i'll have to pick it up on the rerun - Karoli

@Kevin says he's getting GG on his iPad, see his pic: http://twitpic.com/1pqpvb - Cliff Gerrish

Sony has an AppleTV, its the PS3 - Ross Mayfield

I use my PS3 to watch Netflix instantly all the time - Ross Mayfield

Deja Vu, Steve Jobs did it again! http://www.youtube.com/watch... (Eric Schmidt as Bill Gates) - zxspectrum

Cliff: It's me connected remotely to another computer.. I was joking... :) (choppy, no sound). - Kevin Costain

@Kevin -- bummer. We'll get there. - Cliff Gerrish

Is this about multitasking or portability? - Aron Michalski

Portability enables multi-tasking. - Cliff Gerrish

Gillmor Gang video feed on an iPad would be amazing.. - Kevin Costain

I want the TV that plays Netflix the best - not YouTube. - Cliff Gerrish

As in watching the GG while putting your laundry in the drier? - Aron Michalski

The only way to pull off something similar to Google TV is a computer + TV-in Card.. - Kevin Costain

The baby boomers are retiring. What generation now is coming out of college with extra income to spend. That's also why there was a heavy sports theme in all the demos. They are looking past the current demographic to the post-recession buyers - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Too many applications will kill all this though. - Kevin Costain

TIVO-like interfaces are so bad there is opportunity. And app marketplace for TV is very interesting. - Ian McGee

lol: Windows Hate - Kevin Costain

TV Yawn... - Paul E. Ester

Google isn't selling phones Scobole! They give a mobile OS for "FREE"!!! - zxspectrum

Cliff: Not working for me. :( - Karoli

Google IO: "It always STARTS with TV" - Kevin Costain

Karoli -- yeah, sorry. Kevin was engaging in some design fiction. - Cliff Gerrish

Sorry Karoli.. I was connected remotely to another computer.. I wish.. - Kevin Costain

Comcast just has to fix their menu system and search may go away as an issue. - Cliff Gerrish

this conversation is not complete without loic.. - Paul E. Ester

that's not quite true Cliff - I don't want to page thru a menu. I want to type in the names of shows I know I want to watch and queue them up. That's all I want. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

You probably don't want to type either -- the whole menu / schedule interface is dead, we need something new. - Cliff Gerrish

When will the content providers allow us to watch content we legally have the right to watch over the web when we leave the country, without downloading onto a drive before we leave? - Aron Michalski

Aaron: Never :) - Kevin Costain

Cliff - well I do want to type - because that's the fastest way to get what I want. The only reason menus are on TV's now is because of a lack of view resolution and the linking of the keyboard to the interface. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

keyboard issue may go away if an android or maybe even iPhone can be used as a remote/kbd via Bluetooth - Alex Schleber

netflix seems to have the video ui down..on my iPad, PC, xbox ..mostly the same experience on all platforms - Jim Posner

bear: could it be possible a speech search could be mainstream on the TV? - Kevin Costain

Jim, I agree. I think Netflix is the leader in this space. - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin - with what Android offers, speech and typing are both available - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

here's the android as remote control demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Kevin Marks

It sucks with the amount of international travel that I can't watch Hulu or Daily show highlights once I go to work. - Aron Michalski

I dont' want a bluetooth keyboard on my coffee table, but I don't need one. Android phone now, and later tablet. Phone is often out while watching TV anyway. - Ian McGee

bear: speech seems clunky and definitely not something that would work in an open living room of people. That tech needs to mature much more to really be useful. Maybe the Android phone will become the mic? - Kevin Costain

Little screens need to be able to talk to bigger screens. Keyboards and mice are not part of video. - Cliff Gerrish

Steve, Comcast has major advantages including lessons learned via their participation/leadership in Project Canoe - Dave Martin

Seems like Comcast is in a position to block Google's TV move. - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin, agree that speech is cumbersome - but for me the fact that one Android based device can handle voice, text, mouse, whatever opens up the world of TV consumption to sooo many more folks than currently - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Google needs to buy Comcast/NBC - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

bear: oh, I aggree. So much of this will hinge on adoption. But the underlying ideas look amazing. I can see my Grama speaking "House" and getting to watch that show on her TV..:) - Kevin Costain

Android voice translation is pretty impressive in the proper surroundings; with a TV up loud, it may be problematic. - Aron Michalski

Kevin - *exactly* - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

VP8 vegetable juice - healthier than the flashy alternatives? - Kevin Marks

I didn't get to see what my Grama thought of the iPad - I forgot to bring it the last time I saw her.. :( - Kevin Costain

h.264 is for the devices only because the hardware support for VP8 will be coming in the near future - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

We may still see a patent challenge to VP8. - Cliff Gerrish

very excited about VP8, I remember when VP6 came out and it blew my mind with its quality. - David Robit Chen

IE9 will only support VP8 with a codec installed - Kevin Costain

mufflers... - Aron Michalski

hahaha.. patents? boring? - Kevin Costain

it has an API now! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Wave isn't a stream, it's a document. Thats why it feels wrong as a stream - Kevin Marks

Wave = Working in small teams. That' s the key. Small - Kevin Costain

The document metaphor is coming to an end. - Cliff Gerrish

Wave=collaboration; Buzz=social, location, content. - Aron Michalski

I embedded Wave on my blog: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2010... - Kevin Marks

twitter/buzz are broadcast/subscription tools; wave is a collaboration tool for small groups -- it has now discovery and public facing items - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Kevin: Cool and sloooow - Kevin Costain

I waved goodbye to wave 2 minutes after playing with it. Noisy, messy and irrelevant - Rob La Gesse

Robert, do you *still* think Google Wave is an abortion? - Kevin Costain

Wave always felt like cool back-end tech to me -- just needs applications on top. - Ian McGee

Man, more tinsel for Scoble's nest... - Aron Michalski

That's what the API will enable - people are going to be able to take the distributed nature of the operational transform that is in Wave and use it to solve new problems that Wiki and other collaborative tools have - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert: In fairness, there are no comment stream permalinks in Friedfeed or Buzz either, both of which I've always thought were huge mistakes. The "info atoms" still need to be addressable, always... - Alex Schleber

Kevin: as Wave exists today it is an abortion. Where it is going tomorrow is very interesting. - Robert Scoble

Alex: agreed. - Robert Scoble

I enjoy that Buzz has the ability to post/search out of the 2.1 Android Google Maps layer. - Aron Michalski

yes bear, except that the document format that wave has for the operational transforms to act on is a mess - Kevin Marks

Permalinks to specific content is fine, but you'd need a way to signal it to other wave users. - Scott Greiff

the *UI* to Wave has issues - the tech behind it is still amazing and getting better - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Those Apple headsets sound pretty damn good. - Scott Greiff

Something that jumped out in the Google TV & android demos was the optionally interactive ads.That's huge. Compare to skipping ads on TV now... - Ian McGee

on my phone, I check in with Google Buzz because Google Map is always on - Da

I don't use Buzz because it doesn't support Google Apps for Domains. - Scott Greiff

Wish there was a hook from Buzz to FF... but of course,that would be silly, right? - Aron Michalski

Apples and bananas? - Cliff Gerrish

Scott: I can't wait until later this year when more of those apps are supported - Kevin Costain

says Jyri - the social graph is going to be the basis of most of the revenue on the web over the next 5 years - Kevin Marks

Android passed iPhone. where will Apple be in the future? - Da

Good show - Ian McGee

Thanks guys. - Aron Michalski

Great show guys..! Bye. - Kevin Costain

Android passed iPhone in the race to the bottom. Is that a laudable achievement? - Scott Greiff

Good show, thanks guys. - Alex Schleber

Good show (as always!) - Scott Greiff

Apple will continue to make high-end hardware that is consumer "safe". Google (via Android) will make tools that allow the other 80% of the world to do what they want - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

all good - Ross Mayfield

There would be more viewers, except they're all on a plane to Asia. - Ian McGee

so apple is BMW, and Google is the rest of the cars out there? - Da

well, Google is the tech behind the mass market tools that are being built. They don't care if the car has logo X with color Y and sold in market Z -- they want to be the provider of the data and the tools that use the data. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

just checked out Kevin Marks' Wave embed on his blog...goodness is it slow: 2 not even very big Waves took 15+ seconds to load, on a reasonably fast machine with fast connection, in Chrome... - Alex Schleber

I'd like to see a phone manufacturer take Cyanogen Mod and release a phone with that. That would be a signal that all this "open" stuff Google is shoveling is giving value to some real open initiatives. But how much to do you wanna bet that all this "open" talk by Google is really just to make Google look good? - Scott Greiff

Thanks guys, it was great to be on the show. - Jyri Engestrom

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