Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific ht

Looking forward to Gillmor Gang at 1pm - Kevin Marks

that's what I'm talking about - Vezquex

The Penultimate 2009 show! I'm now standing by waiting for the Skype call. - Robert Scoble

Connecting to the stream now =) - Kish

I cannot watch the video from iPhone. Can you guys enable that in 2010. It would really help! ty - Nishant

There's a ustream iPhone app, I hear that works. - Cliff Gerrish

Nishant: yes, the ustream iPhone app works great. - Robert Scoble

2 or 3 minutes until show time. - Cliff Gerrish

One to two minutes until we start. - Robert Scoble

please discuss the Nexus One - Vezquex

still flies in the face of the current change to conversation vs. clicks - Jerry Schuman

I cannot seem to find 'gilmor gang or building 43' on the ustream viewer app. any tips? thanks a lot. - Nishant

Search Newsgang - Rob La Gesse

great. thanks! - Nishant

spamming google with real-time: by @sugarrae http://outspokenmedia.com/seo... - Kevin Marks

And now I have to look at the top one to two to three link after the real time mess. - Ken Sheppardson

Actually, for Tiger Woods, the "Latest Results" is now just above the fold at the bottom of the page, as the 5th or 6th result. - Ken Sheppardson

I don't care if they keep it - but I do hope they let me turn it off. I'm not a fan. - Rob La Gesse

I like the Social Search feature that adds in links from people I follow http://www.google.com/experim... - Kevin Marks

I think they'll just push it down the page so we don't have to see it, Rob - Ken Sheppardson

For Scoble, maybe :P - Jalada

entertainment! fun! - Christopher Harris

Cruel but true. - Ken Sheppardson

gotta love a guest who starts off insulting the listeners of the show - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

hey, Jason - Vezquex

Welcome, Jason - Rob La Gesse

hello, don't you people have something better to do. - Jason Calacanis

Nope, this is about it. - Cliff Gerrish

You mean listen to the show, or talk about it, Jason? - Ken Sheppardson

i've got this on in the background - Christopher Harris

Heheh - Robert Scoble

Wow, that demonstrated how far behind I am on ustream. - Jalada

Hey guys, don't tell Curry I'm here ;) - Michelle

Here in Norway we don't have much to do. either watch Gillmore Gang or have Obama over for coffee - @LarsenTweet

The idea @Jason was suggesting sounded like http://topsy.com - Kevin Marks

Subtle. - Jalada

Hello there, Michelle! - Rob La Gesse

So don't expect real time feeds embedded on Mahalo. - Ken Sheppardson

even if it's a tool that the curators would use? or does Mahalo expect their curator to spend more time off of Mahalo? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Has Aardvark (vark.com) come up on GG recently? Anybody tried it? - Ken Sheppardson

Aardvark is trying to address this exact example. - Jerry Schuman

You beat me to it Ken. - Jerry Schuman

:-) - Ken Sheppardson

The real-time component of Google is like introducing the Slashdot effect to the most popular site on the world. People better be prepared for it, infrastructure wise. Jes' sayin. - Michelle

Michelle: That's what elastic hosting is for. Cue advert for Rackspace Cloud Sites! - Jalada

A google fail whale would be sorta cool. - Cliff Gerrish

@Cliff - it exists. It is called Wave. - Rob La Gesse

getting them weekly for gmail, igoogle and so on - but they only last a couple of minutes mostly - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

They need one of those cute graphics to really annoy people. - Cliff Gerrish

Google isn't scared of this stuff at all. Ask Matt Cutts. If it gets big, they'll just buy it. - Michelle

It's not a threat. The Google ecosystem is much bigger than just search. - Michelle

Results are changing from links to widgets. - Cliff Gerrish

Have we started "search is dead" yet? - Ken Sheppardson

the biggest change for google search is that now its more dynamic, fade in's, drop downs and so on - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

scared is a loaded word... let's say concerned. - Jason Calacanis

@cliff, totally agree with the links to widgets. We're moving back into compound document architectures backed by some fairly sophisticated intelligence. - Jerry Schuman

Widgets can handle streams of data... - Cliff Gerrish

Robert, not by name, but I'll bet a bunch of people do what I do...say , gee I sure wish I had that... - Karoli

http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Jason Calacanis

@cliff, yep that is absolutely what we've been focusing on here. Stream aggregation that can ID context and conversation are absolutely the next huge implementations. - Jerry Schuman

stream down - Jerry Schuman

off air - Vezquex

oh, where'd it go :( - Jalada

down down down - Christopher Harris

up up up - Christopher Harris

stream down - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

hit refresh - Jerry Schuman

who tripped over the cord? - gfurry

Jason loved the tricaster too much - HansVanRock

destination sites are DEAD - Jerry Schuman

pundits decrying what is dead.... is dead - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Pubsubhubbub revived Atom, though - Vezquex

"obsolete enough to be useful" is what Gillmor means by 'dead' - Kevin Marks

Streams a little funky - going up and down. - Cliff Gerrish

stable for me, except that one glitch - Rob La Gesse

facebooksense - Christopher Harris

Every big Network service will need a public and private component. - Cliff Gerrish

soc graph is definitely a triangulation point for identity - Jerry Schuman

physical devices and their unique fingerprint is going to be another triangulation point for identity - Jerry Schuman

Facebook search sucks. - Karoli

read the quantum computing blog post from Google. They're working on this exact problem - Jerry Schuman

Karoli--that's why they bought the engineering team for this social network! - Michelle

Agree, Michelle. FF search is the finest I've used. - Karoli

facebook as an identity platform will go the way of Microsoft Passport if it's 1) not open standards and 2) they don't use the private identity info for corporate gain - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I won't use FB as an identity platform because they have exhibited anti-privacy behaviour - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

my issue with FB was the default to google indexing while giving users the impression they were protecting them. - Karoli

i think they totally duped the development community beyond what they've done to the end users. - Jerry Schuman

Jason is right 100% - Antonella Stellacci

What was changed was the default for people who had not set them to public or open (i.e. using the FB default which was private) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Congress may care about privacy on the internet, but they don't actually know what that means. - Cliff Gerrish

privacy is dead - Vezquex

nice cam angle - HansVanRock

Cliff I agree with that, but they can sure mess with us a lot. - Robert Scoble

the difference is the data that people have invested into the Facebook data environment - it's a lot more personal than Twitter could ever collect - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

LOL...jason is a little bit sleep-deprived. he's babbling. - Karoli

is there #TWiSt tomorrow? - Vezquex

Karoli - I don't think Jason is the one getting up for the night time feedings - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

put Cliff in the place of Jason. - Jerry Schuman

Facebook users at risk of "rubber duck" identity attack, people see this? http://www.sophos.com/pressof... - Jalada

What about HTML5 for Android development? Why have native apps? - Cliff Gerrish

even GMail is using HTML5 now - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

HTML5 and websockets... going to be an interesting place to play - Jerry Schuman

HTML5 works on Android, iPhone and Pre... - Kevin Marks

it should be called HTML5bis - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yeah, but you'll want to use JQtouch for iPhone web app development... - Cliff Gerrish

I like arguments that consist of "Yes", "No", "Yes", "No"... :-) - Ken Sheppardson

HTML5 has handoff provisions... that is what he's getting to - Jerry Schuman

the <video> html5 tag allows webkit to expose codecs for devs to use - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

do browsers actually have codecs inside them? - Vezquex

So HTML 5 isn't a standard until the browsers actually support it. - Cliff Gerrish

it's a standard when the committee says it is - Vezquex

well, it can be a standard - just not a well implemented standard - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

If a standard falls in the forest and no browsers support it, does it make a sound? - Cliff Gerrish

heck, they are still arguing amongst themselves on what is going to be in the HTML5 standard - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

802.11 (WiFi) devices were available (and *mostly* compliant with the standard) years before the standard was ratified. - Rob La Gesse

yes, 802.11 is an excellent example - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Actually, HTML5 is on 'last call' according to WHATWG, but not according to W3C. So, it's sorta close. - Cliff Gerrish

the point is that there are implementations in the wild regarding HTML5 in anticipation of a ratified standard. Not much different then what happened to 802.11 N - Jerry Schuman

ok.. quit stealing my damn thoughts before I can type them out - Jerry Schuman

:) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

That's why you have a closed Chrome hardware play -- you can implement HTML5 in a closed system. - Cliff Gerrish

I switched OurDoings to HTML5, but I'm only using the parts of it that older browsers can handle. - Bruce Lewis

Well, since I was there when 802.11 was born, I had to bring up the example :) - Rob La Gesse

Robert's point is very valid - the app devs will be able to get on board the HTML5 train and enjoy the benefits and hopefully the standards body will avoid tweaking it out of usability - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I want to see a closer pic of Kevin's whiteboard over his shoulder ;-) - Jerry Schuman

google must be *loving* html5 because they will get all of those apps to be immediatly usable on any new Chrome netbook and also all new Android devices - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

no.. they'll hack up their own solutions in the meantime. Hell Comet/Push was hacked together prior to the standardization of websockets - Jerry Schuman

Android and iPhone implementations of webkit are different. So, there are different capabilities there... - Cliff Gerrish

you also have to look at what Google is doing with GWT. It plays a big role on supplementing what they're doing in HTML5 - Jerry Schuman

ATT is Austin completely sucks - Rob La Gesse

Randall Stross wrote that for the Times, but it was largely debunked. - Cliff Gerrish

Hey, Kevin, is there a 140 character comparison of Google Voice vs Ribbit Mobile? - Ken Sheppardson

Then why does the iphone only have to seem to have the major issues in the US? - gfurry

Chicago, New York, Dallas (HOME OF ATT!!!) all suck (as does SFO). - Rob La Gesse

It's because AT&T is the only network with the iPhone. Check Mary Meeker's stats on iPhone use in her Morgan Stanley Mobile internet report. - Cliff Gerrish

"The people of Boulder against ATT" : http://www.facebook.com/group... - Rob La Gesse

Will Google maps/directions only be available on Android? Why not an HTML5 version that runs on the iPhone too? - Cliff Gerrish

the platform is too large not to port to iphone - gfurry

This seems a bit like having to develop apps for each make/model of laptop... HTML5 FTW - Ken Sheppardson

as long as what happened to HTML within IE doesn't happen to HTML5 - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

it will be in OS 3.5 or 4.0? - gfurry

margins are razor thin on hardware... why would they give up online revenue by not porting new advanced features to iPhone - Jerry Schuman

Bing maps work nicely in the iPhone. - Cliff Gerrish

controlling the DECK is dead. How many people replaced their main camera app from Apple with something more sophisticated? - Jerry Schuman

ATT pays Apple handsomely for each new iPhone contract. - Rob La Gesse

mapquest makes a mapping app for iphone as do several GPS makers. The platform is too big not to - gfurry

Thanks everyone! - Robert Scoble

great episode you all - HansVanRock

so are we continuing this thread from last week into this week? - Karoli

Nope, new thread. - Cliff Gerrish

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