Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Stephen Pickering,
Robert Scoble,
Karoli,
Francine Hardaway,
ozan aksakallı,
Teri Temme,
clive boulton,
Ankush Narula,
Aron Michalski,
OCoG of FF, Jimminy,
and
Jerome Hughes
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- Kevin Marks
have I got time to grab some Tea?
- Kevin Marks
Hanging by waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
will you all be recording this?
- OCoG of FF, Jimminy
We always do. Should still be on techcrunch tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
hi all
- Aron Michalski
famous call is coming
- Tina Chase Gillmor
running a wee bit ;ate...sorry everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Operators are now standing by...
- Robert Scoble
No worries, Tina
- Francine Hardaway
Hi Tina... I'd expect it, I'm usually a few weeks slow after Europe.
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Robert.
- OCoG of FF, Jimminy
hey Francine!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
couple of glitches we are swatting away
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My 10 minutes of non-interruption must be coming up - 2 year old will be breaking and entering my office at any moment.
- John Taschek
I don't know if you saw my "in a funk" post: https://plus.google.com/1110910...
- Robert Scoble
But I'm not looking forward to today's show.
- Robert Scoble
great post robert
- Moe Glitz
I usually love these shows, because we talk about the future. But I have a feeling that's not what we're talking about today.
- Robert Scoble
hi Aron - hanging out in my garage on a glorious Chicago(land) October afternoon
- Jerome Hughes
Steve in black.
- clive boulton
we will be talking about the man who invented the future
- Moe Glitz
you have to be involved with a patent to be listed on it, so Steve was involved
- Charlie Isaacs
Yup.
- Robert Scoble
Moe: good way to put it.
- Robert Scoble
gah, my comcast cut out for a minute
- Kevin Marks
iLived. Steve Jobs. What a Life!
- Moe Glitz
Mighty big hole in the World right now :-(
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks for giving Doc the first wack;
- Aron Michalski
I like Doc Searls' Buddhist point that without Jobs vacating the space, further growth is not possible.
- Francine Hardaway
That was a really good summary by Doc, made me feel a lot
- Stephen Pickering
A life well-lived. What more can anyone expect? It's a sad thing but hardly an ending.
- Karoli
I regret Steve's "hobby" -Apple TV- did not roll out in elaborated fashion before he passed. I was looking forward to Apple disrupting another hide-bound industry: TV
- r Macdonald
Robert is choked up and it's choking me up
- Robert J Taylor
r Macdonald: I agree. I can't wait to see what Apple's working on there.
- Robert Scoble
I know, I hate being sad, but that's how I feel
- Stephen Pickering
we should be glad for what he gave us but equally sad for what we will never know
- Moe Glitz
don't you all think he had enough time to lay out a vision for what he saw and time to pull in people who could execute it?
- Karoli
Data is not everything
- Francine Hardaway
struggling with Danny's audio. sorry
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: I could hear it all.
- Robert Scoble
true Karoli, but who is there to lovingly build it and cast a magic spell on it
- Moe Glitz
Karoli, I think we overestimate how far he was able to see into the future. Remember it's not that he invented the tablet, or the mp3 player, or the computer: he made them BETTER.
- Francine Hardaway
some gaps on the stream, but not enough to lose the meaning
- Kevin Marks
That's what worries me. He somehow needs to be here to help us make things better.
- Francine Hardaway
he was a worldwide influencer
- Tina Chase Gillmor
few are
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Perhaps we can that the esthetic sense and simplistic interfaces and move forward, keep it simple, keep it beautiful.
- Aron Michalski
it was about getting it done in time, not right now.
- Kevin Marks
not releasing until it was ready
- Kevin Marks
It's also part of our time. Hewlett and Packard had just as big an impact, I'd argue, but their impact was in a time before YouTube. Steve Jobs is a world-wide celebrity, arguably the first of Silicon Valley's history.
- Robert Scoble
Here is a link to the Tim Berner-Lee post yesterday, about using NeXT to support his development of URIs, HTTP and HTML http://www.w3.org/QA...
- r Macdonald
I felt that way when I heard Any Grove had Parkinson's disease. He is a hero to me.
- Francine Hardaway
here's the playboy interview: http://www.scribd.com/doc...
- Kevin Marks
Thanks Kevin!
- Stephen Pickering
what Steve Jobs gave us over the last 10 years will never be repeated
- Moe Glitz
iPod, iTunes, iPhone, App Store, iPad
- Moe Glitz
Well said Steve. Disrupting powerful players and bending them to his will - indeed.
- r Macdonald
The French didn't get Steve vision. See their serious newspaper 'Le monde' : http://www.lemonde.fr/societe.... Fundamental difference marked by Americans !
- Guy Vander Heyden
Betters the Beatles years of 62 to 70
- Moe Glitz
Gentlemen, do you think Tim Cook can bend additional media industries, like TV content and distribution, to Apple's will & new products?
- r Macdonald
no
- Moe Glitz
the next Steve Jobs will be a group of people, a braintrust who can work together like great musicians
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Well, Tim Cook has $60 billion to push around and he has Steve Jobs' shoes to fill, so he knows that he better do some big things. But, most of my head is saying Moe is right.
- Robert Scoble
Little known Steve's support for medical research. Stanford's Joel Dudley convinced Apple to add Ruby and other capabilities http://macresearch.org/about_m...
- clive boulton
Tina: funny, I wrote just that to someone last night.
- Robert Scoble
Tim Cook seems a smart guy but its like replacing Mick Jagger with Kenny Rodgers for the Stones
- Moe Glitz
Robert... great minds....;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe: "replacing Mick Jagger with Kenny Rodgers" ouch
- r Macdonald
Danny is right about the carriers. I can't figure out an economical way to upgrade my iPhone. If I switch to Verizon, I can get a phone for $299, and then I have to do something with whatever I left left on my AT&T contract. And it's not unlocked.
- Francine Hardaway
android is a knock-off of sidekick, but it got a great browser from Apple
- Kevin Marks
I agree - our whole world has changed.
- Teri Temme
40 million used to mean something
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jobs was a great and powerful pitchman. He had to pitch his revolutionary trojan horses to folks like printers, cell carriers, record companies, publishers and film and video distributors. Apple will need to replace this facet of his talent. Who will be able to do this at Apple?
- Alex de Soto
funny, Tina, I was thinking the same thing.
- Karoli
Alex, Apple has other people who do that, but no-one as well.
- Kevin Marks
Alex: Kevin is right. Jobs isn't replaceable. But they will find their own voice over the next few years.
- Robert Scoble
Robert and Kevin: I really hope you are right. I'm counting on it.
- Alex de Soto
Good to have the Onion right now
- Francine Hardaway
John Lennon was shot. We knew Steve was ill. Big difference. Still painful.
- Alex de Soto
Steve. Another victim of pancreatic cancer. Help out: http://pancan.org/section...
- clive boulton
Both icons. Apple brothers
- Moe Glitz
12 Apostles.
- Alex de Soto
will Apple TV ever take off now
- Moe Glitz
Moe: yes. It's the best way to use AirPlay. Are you throwing away your iPad or iPhones?
- Robert Scoble
AppleTV needs to take off before GoogleTV
- clive boulton
no robert.
- Moe Glitz
Greatest commencement speech ever
- Stephen Pickering
Deep link into Steve's 2005 graduation speech segment on on the importance of remembering he will be dead soon http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- r Macdonald
Westboro Baptist Church to protest (please puncture their tires)
- clive boulton
which they announced on their iphones.
- Karoli
Protest what?
- Francine Hardaway
the Angel technique still works on them. and parody signs. Violence is what they want, then they sue.
- Kevin Marks
Westboro are just culture parasites. They attack anything popular so that they can get paid attention to. If we stop paying attention to them they go away.
- Robert Scoble
What are they protesting?
- Stephen Pickering
Right. Why would they ever protest Jobs' funeral. It's not like he was gay or political
- Francine Hardaway
attention whores. that's who they are.
- Karoli
Interesting undercurrent to the discussion is the continued fight against the entrenched interests -- carriers, publishers, networks. That's a point of commonality for all us in the tech world. Interoperability will be huge, but it will take huge efforts to bring it about.
- Ian McGee
Robert, all of those pieces are teams. I suspect that will be the key to Apple's success.
- Karoli
Both Newsweek and Time are having special Tribute issues for Steve. He was a Rock Star
- Moe Glitz
I wonder how many people will use "Cards" to send sympathy messages to Apple once the app is released. When I first heard about "Cards" I immediately thought of Steve Jobs, even though many laughed about this seemingly silly app.
- Alex de Soto
Jobs was a critic
- Kevin Marks
Someone who gives their life to something
- Stephen Pickering
Bezos?
- Robert J Taylor
Perfection, Simplicity and Secrecy.
- Teri Temme
Bezos is the closest I think
- Stephen Pickering
Who insisted on rounded corners for software windows with a radius just so?
- Alex de Soto
thanks guys.until next time.
- Aron Michalski
Who placed FCC certifications on a cell phone more elegantly than Jobs?
- Alex de Soto
alex, steve insisted on round rects: http://folklore.org/StoryVi...
- Kevin Marks
Who ignored blu-ray?
- Alex de Soto
Bezos is a genius but he doesn't build things of beauty. Want me to pull up the videos about the original Kindle?
- Robert Scoble
Bezos and Amazon's driving force is to build things at low cost. That doesn't mean they will bring us beautiful things.
- Robert Scoble
Robert but he is similar in that he tries to remove friction from the buying process and make the process fun and beautiful
- Stephen Pickering
That just tells you about the importance of beauty, design, and ease of use
- Francine Hardaway
WWSJD?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Right Kevin :) I could go on with thousands of examples where Jobs made incredibly inspired design decisions. He was more like the old car designers who lovingly thought about every curve on a car.
- Alex de Soto
Danny, iTunes was Job's way of keeping us humble. ;-)
- Ian McGee
hi Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It could be that iTunes complexity was to try to assure the music industry that their system would be "safe" - as far flung as that might seem
- Stephen Pickering
Danny is right. iTunes sucks
- Moe Glitz
iTunes needs a rethink. Spotify is that rethink.
- Robert Scoble
Richard Stallman: "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." http://bit.ly/n50IWd
- clive boulton
Ouch. That's tough
- Stephen Pickering
Nothing wrong with Wordstar key combinations. Now vi -- that's a problem. ;-)
- Ian McGee
Richard Stallman is an idiot.
- Robert Scoble
iTunes is getting a rethink with iCloud, so sync isn't t required and backup happens
- Kevin Marks
What a horrible thing to write.
- Robert Scoble
lets hope they kill the bugs
- Moe Glitz
But Stallman is probably autistic. My own son does stuff that's hurtful without realizing it because he just doesn't have the brain for social cues.
- Robert Scoble
So, I should be more understanding of Stallman and his condition.
- Robert Scoble
I was talking to Rana-June Sobhany about that - iPad as musical instrument
- Kevin Marks
Most of the people in the world have Facebook. That actually is a brilliant decision and the Gillmor Gang in 2020 will discuss just how brilliant it was.
- Robert Scoble
"Stallman and his condition" well said
- clive boulton
Reminds me of how Clinton can persuade you even when you disagree
- Stephen Pickering
Some have said Steve and Apple didn't "Get social" What do you think?
- r Macdonald
I don't think its they didn't get it, they just couldn't do everything
- Stephen Pickering
r Macdonald: both true and false. Jobs got how we would talk about his products and made them HYPER conversational. Why else ship an iPod with white headphones?
- Robert Scoble
Jobs jettisoned the physical keyboard and need for a stylus on a smartphone. That move alone was brilliant and gutsy.
- Alex de Soto
Still waiting for Apple to release their own Mapping Product
- Moe Glitz
it's gonna be a WWSJD world for a while
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My question mark is how will Apple do with the Cloud?
- Stephen Pickering
Interesting take, Robert. Products that are inherently drivers of social discussion & adoption, but no closed gardens for social interchange.
- r Macdonald
Stephen: I do worry about what will happen next week. Hope it goes well.
- Alex de Soto
do you think there were problems with the iPhone 5
- Moe Glitz
i hope Danny is talking about upgrading the phone...not the wife ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
why take 15 months to release the same phone
- Moe Glitz
Beatles?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
4S stands for Siri...
- clive boulton
100% tina
- Moe Glitz
SIRI's semantic intelligence could be disruptive
- r Macdonald
Tina, exactly, his impact is just like the Beatles
- Stephen Pickering
steve loved the Beatles
- Moe Glitz
did you see the Warhol/Jobs/Sean Lennon story?
- Kevin Marks
Thanks for sharing everyone. Good show.
- Alex de Soto
stay hungry stay foolish
- clive boulton
r Macdonald: yeah, I still love Siri. I remember the day I saw that tech for the first time. Really amazing stuff.
- Robert Scoble
I'm so happy I got to see what they are doing.
- Robert Scoble
Andy Warhol’s Meeting With Steve Jobs at Sean Lennon's Bday party story: http://linguisticcapital.wordpress.com/2011...
- r Macdonald
wish Siri could be hacked like Kinnect
- Moe Glitz
thanks r Macdonald...I'll have to read that one
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Both Andrew Ng and Peter Norvig classes start Monday ml-class.org al-class.com
- clive boulton
Great link rMac and Kevin. Thanks
- Stephen Pickering
also in the playboy interview Tina
- Kevin Marks
great show guys
- Moe Glitz
Awesome show - thanks!!!
- Teri Temme
Thank you all
- r Macdonald
WOw, that got tough in the last minute.
- Robert Scoble
So sad to see Steve so sad...Tina, Steve...
- Francine Hardaway
sitting shiva
- Kevin Marks
thank you
- Hilary Talbot
Thanks everyone.
- Robert Scoble
Nice job. 'night
- Ian McGee
- clive boulton
I think Bezos is enabling people to build awesome things especially with the Cloud. The investment in capacity and the functionality of AWS is awesome. Changes IT immensely.
- Robert J Taylor