Gillmor Gang, recording live today 5pm PST

dubdubdeecee SMS Dead, Dropbox dead, spotify lives - Paul E. Ester

Don't forget to talk about Weiner, the politician brought down by a missing "d". - Paul E. Ester

Well, what do you know, a GillmorGang at a time I can actually watch live. - PXLated

Nice surprise - clive boulton

Coolio! I'm standing by waiting for the call. - Robert Scoble

I have NO IDEA what we're talking about today! ;-) - Robert Scoble

3 min after! Should be on in about 10 more? - Ralph Henson

the huge news story today - that Minecraft is coming on xbox - Kevin Marks

That changes EVERYTHING! - Ralph Henson

hi everyone. Happy Monday! y'all ready? - Tina Chase Gillmor

Ralph: we're hooking it all up. - Robert Scoble

Give us a couple more minutes. - Robert Scoble

Can't wait to see 'Gillmor in the Cloud'! - Ralph Henson

Ralph: YouTube is coming to Xbox. I'm so excited! - Robert Scoble

Kevin, did you attend the Apple event? - Amyloo

I clicked on the wrong live feed this AM as saw all this x-box shit. WTF? - Ralph Henson

Twitter is moving fast tonight for some reason. Did some cool company announce something? - Robert Scoble

I didn't attend, but I watched the stream - Kevin Marks

I think Steve will be disappointed - Apple TV ..er airplay still seem to be a side show - for the most part - Michael Roberts

Michael: well, Apple has Airplay. Google and Microsoft doesn't. - Robert Scoble

And, they had to save something for the new iPhone announcement in August. - Robert Scoble

my android devices send to airplay via DoubleTwist - Kevin Marks

xbox is gonna be the household entertainment hub - Tim Jones

Seems to be more a distribution solution than a stream solution - Ralph Henson

Ralph, I'd pay to see Stve in a God robe costume sitting on a cloud - Amyloo

Here we go - Mark Vaske

It's the "iSteveGillmor" show. - Robert Scoble

version history. see changes between docs - Mark Vaske

Depth of Cupertio vs Skin deep Redmond - clive boulton

cliveb: yup. Microsoft is in real trouble. - Robert Scoble

It is worse for Windows Phone 7. No developer I'm talking with is betting on it. The VC market is betting actively against it. - Robert Scoble

remind me... what does Microsoft do? - Tina Chase Gillmor

What about what Apple did to their developers. - Francine Hardaway

Francine: they paid them $2 billion in past two years. They will get over it. They have no other choice. - Robert Scoble

post anything your doing to twitter. free advertising. - Mark Vaske

there's a twitter API meeting wednesday night - Kevin Marks

Sounds a lot like what Twitter did, Robert - Francine Hardaway

the imagicnation's drying up in Cupertino, all those iPhone stuff today's is trying to catch up to Android - Tim Jones

Francine: except Twitter hasn't shown us any new features to keep the infrastructure excited. - Robert Scoble

Would like to hear views on the robustness/richness of native apps & cloud combination vs the thinness of say Google docs - To me, there's no comparison. - PXLated

Saturday saw MSFT deliberately shifting strategy from marketing to design (Unicorn of love - Hanselman) huge catch up - clive boulton

PXLated: I'd love to hear more from you on what you think about that. - Robert Scoble

that's a good airplay feature.. but not necessarily innovative.. just a logical feature to have - Michael Roberts

what is iMessenger's user ID ? - chris dowling

Robert - I think there is just so much more one can do with native apps than you can ever do on one size fits all cloud apps. - PXLated

Right. We'll get into that shortly. - Robert Scoble

they have been busy doing all of what they announced today. - Mark Vaske

Wonders if John's up for smuggling Branston Pickle - clive boulton

you can buy branston here - Kevin Marks

Branston, wow. never thought i'd see that mentioned in a Gillmor Gang chat. - Jamie

iCloud == DropBox for iOS ? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

GOing to London in July. Will investigate - Francine Hardaway

AFAIK there is no arbitrary file backup - Jamie

Apple did well with icloud - but the problem is most of it isn't designed for groups (although calendar thankfully now is more like google calendar) but how does this work with a family let alone a company.. it's perfect for the mobile - me person.. who uses different machines. - Michael Roberts

Yes, bear - Francine Hardaway

Jamie: this Gillmor Gang brought to you by Christopher Creek winery, which is what I'm drinking tonight. ;-) - Robert Scoble

iCloud APIS? I remember dotmac APIs http://developer.apple.com/interne... - Kevin Marks

so not a dropbox killer, but a very needed component in the platform > backup and restore of app data - Jamie

Exactly, Robert - Francine Hardaway

Scobilizer on KV DB making me drool - clive boulton

Jamie - but file features are not a part of iPad/iPhone - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

true - Jamie

the twitter integration is much deeper than I anticipated. "There is follow graph synchronization, which enables you to bootstrap a user's social graph for your app." - Jamie

Every new feature listed http://www.maclife.com/article... - Mark Vaske

http://groups.google.com/group... - Kevin Marks

push notifications to multiple end-points over the "cloud" has always been a big-infra problem - Apple *had* to solve it since their infrastructure is so closed - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

wow, lots of hydration going on behind the scenes - Tina Chase Gillmor

Tina: well, it's 5:30 pm! - Robert Scoble

I am drinking a red wine called Cupcake:-) It's everything - Francine Hardaway

right, robert. I should have thougt about it myself. My switching might be better under the influence - Tina Chase Gillmor

Kevin, Jamie - so want giant Branston w/o price gouging - clive boulton

for me, Branston smooth > chunks - Jamie

im in the UK though - no idea where you get it in the States - Jamie

all 250 features in Lion: http://www.apple.com/macosx... - Jamie

Apple announcements represent a new shift in the center of gravity. Android oops. Desktop oops. Desktop era software oops - Keith Teare

Yes. Apple owns us now - Francine Hardaway

Keith: we are firmly in Steve Jobs pocket! - Robert Scoble

please discuss the location aware reminders! - Mark Vaske

Shit, even on vacation I'm giving him money. Isn't he majority shareholder in Disney? - Robert Scoble

Mark: I missed those. - Robert Scoble

@Borthwick. Careful (Shhh).... Awesome for just.me today BTW - Keith Teare

I will love that feature - Tina Chase Gillmor

Those were the things that replace Remember the Milk, Robert - Francine Hardaway

First opportunity to watch GG live - always watch the podcast - Didn't realize all these ads were thrown at ya live. - PXLated

twitter address book feature too late to same Congressman Weiner? - Ralph Henson

Francine: cool. - Robert Scoble

FB burned Apple with Ping over FB Connect. Hence the public snub. - Jamie

not majority, but largest shareholder - Kevin Marks

That said, good luck making iMessage work without FB Connect. - Jamie

Robert: you can set a location in your individual reminder. ie call when you get home pops up upon arriving home. - Mark Vaske

Ralph: that guy is an idiot. It's always the lying about the sex that will get you in trouble. - Robert Scoble

adding friends via email - no thanks - Jamie

Robert, that was a joke! - Ralph Henson

Facebook would be crazy to align like that - Tina Chase Gillmor

Agree. You can have phone sex, twext, whatever, but don't lie - Francine Hardaway

I survived the photos of me kissing a guy in London at a party. Why? I didn't lie about it. ;-) - Robert Scoble

pinot robert? - Tina Chase Gillmor

No. You survived because no one cares:-) - Francine Hardaway

"Whenever someone tries to reach you, the FaceTime call rings through on every Mac you own even if FaceTime isn’t running." - Jamie

Tina: Cab. - Robert Scoble

Tina: but Maryam likes the Pinot better. Christopher Creek is the best in Sonoma at doing that. - Robert Scoble

Or maybe it was expected behavior Robert :-) - PXLated

Scoble. Yes, but its a nice pocket with lots of room to do stuff. - Keith Teare

Beginning of the end of Windows UI - clive boulton

PXLated: exactly! ;-) - Robert Scoble

now waiting for android to catch up on things it lacks vs iOS - Mark Vaske

nobody has ever said modal notifications were better Kevin - Jamie

even MG - Jamie

MG said it was irrelevant - Kevin Marks

wrong time to give my iPhone4 to a friend I guess :/ - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

then he is an idiot - Jamie

untethering the ipad from the PC I think is huge.. I really wonder how many developers (like twitter) will make the ipad - or tablets the primary platform for development and the PC the secondary development platform - Michael Roberts

Kevin/Louis live in that world where you cut off your nose to spite your face :-) - PXLated

Love Christopher Creek Pinot - Francine Hardaway

Scoble is goofin with me - Tina Chase Gillmor

What did MG say? - Robert Scoble

Tina: having fun! - Robert Scoble

Your commenters were incredible, Steve - Francine Hardaway

I want to know what Kevin is drinking. He's contentious tonight:-) - Francine Hardaway

Francine: he's a Google fan, I'd be contentious too on an evening like this. - Robert Scoble

they have about 70% of my music. Spotify about 40% - Jamie

did you see this piece yet? 10 apps or services Apple just killed. http://www.maclife.com/article... - paisano

A rabid Google fan:-) - Francine Hardaway

25/year gives you access to 18,000,000 songs. the rest you can put in your 5 gbs - Mark Vaske

Robert - Exactly - PXLated

no kevin - Jamie

you get 25,000 tracks - Jamie

for $25 - Jamie

Steve is correct, as usual. lol - Jamie

they didnt specify - Mark Vaske

It's a very bad day to be a Google fan :-) - PXLated

they did specify. 5gb is app data basically - Jamie

That's a lot of app data. - Robert Scoble

music is excluded from the 5gb. its unlimited for itunes purchases, but 25,000 for the matching service - Jamie

GG haz my vote for superseding PBS NewsHour - clive boulton

John: the service that cost 25 mirrors the now itunes tracks in your library - Mark Vaske

non* - Mark Vaske

I have no idea how the labels were dragged into this - Jamie

i mean, how apple got them to agree to it - Jamie

Jamie - Isn't it that they now at least get paid something for all those pirated songs? - PXLated

@jamie - "magic"...? - Mark Vaske

Jamie: money money money money! - Robert Scoble

possibly PXL - Jamie

you can keep your version if its already there - Mark Vaske

though I can sign up for one year then cancel. I have automatically legitimised all my illegal rips. - Jamie

$25 gets you music from the 18 million tracks they have from the big labels. - Kevin Marks

I don't know anyone older that can tell the difference - PXLated

then the half gig of other music you have you put it onto the free service - Mark Vaske

lots of independents on iTunes. easy to upload your work. - Jamie

Lady gag - paisano

you have the beatles, but not the grateful dead - Kevin Marks

he DOES listen to Gaga - Tina Chase Gillmor

Steve is so hip. I downloaded it from Amazon - Francine Hardaway

iBooks style liner notes. Im in - Mark Vaske

physical media.... bleh - Jamie

he plays gaga on turntable - Kevin Marks

get soundcrank.com for lyrics and album art - paisano

I think its game over - agree with Steve - Keith Teare

Don't see today's wwdc helped Steven Sinofsky, rather put him under massive pressure - clive boulton

I dont think it is game over until apple follows up with an all you can eat service - Jamie

cant wait for movies and tv shows now!!! - Mark Vaske

also this continues to make apple tv a power house - Mark Vaske

if apple adds ping to icloud & imessage they will have serious facebook challenger - paisano

being a network ops type person, all I can think about is how much comcast is going to suck out of my wallet with the increase in streaming my personal use will cause - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

cliveb: Steven Sinofsky is gonna struggle. Win8 is late. - Robert Scoble

cliveb: the game has changed and the Microsoft execs don't quite realize it yet. - Robert Scoble

The question "What is the Cloud?" and How does it operate with (a) the desktop and (b) mobile devices now has a new answer. Facebook is the BIG loser - Keith Teare

did they say anything about video? - Amyloo

the carriers found out when we did - Jamie

not much about video, no - Kevin Marks

cliveb: all I need to know is walk through Facebook's dev group. It's 90% Mac, despite Microsoft investing in Facebook. - Robert Scoble

@amyloo, not yet, but its in the works - Mark Vaske

And even though Twitter is a winner its only a small win. Apple and users are big winners - Keith Teare

Same thing at VMware. Same thing in many Silicon Valley companies (in fact all startups I've been in lately). - Robert Scoble

Ping should be the name for iMessage. what a screw up - Jamie

Keith: agreed. Twitter is in the middle of managerial chaos. Twitter's win is thanks to the folks who started LaLa. - Robert Scoble

yes, I thought that - Kevin Marks

@robert huge win for devs - Mark Vaske

lively chat... such a hugepart of our show - Tina Chase Gillmor

video down for me :( think it is just my end though - Jamie

tweetdeck still much better for multiple accounts and creating columns for hashtag tracking scheduling tweets etc - paisano

me also - Mark Vaske

:-( - Ralph Henson

Robert: Feeling Redmond is shifting strategy from marketing to design (not sure from top down or bottom up) - clive boulton

Down here also - PXLated

I wonder how long tweetdeck will be kept around - Jamie

lost the feed - Keith Teare

Too bad, best Gillmor Gang ever - Ralph Henson

having two clients for the mac, iphone and android just seems dumb - Jamie

Getting an Off Air screen - PXLated

@jamie true...twitter will try to add tweetdeck elements to weak web UI - paisano

Funny, Twitter went down. - Robert Scoble

down here. I heard until “if you integrate with us…” I was hoping to hear you guys discussing this apparent stab at Facebook with Twitter integration. - Miguel

we're workin onit folks... - Tina Chase Gillmor

today's announcements were as important in some ways as the iphone and ipad unveilings..icloud severes the tie to the pc age - paisano

It's up here, so hang out a second. - Robert Scoble

Do feel a bit sorry for Marko at Instapaper but he says he expects to prosper - Ralph Henson

Twitter went down for me, which is funny. - Robert Scoble

just back for me - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Vid back - PXLated

back - Jamie

no mention of ping...how odd - paisano

You guys do an awesome job, thanks to rackspace, tricaster and salesforce :) and Tina - Paul E. Ester

loved the joke about mobileme... high point of event - paisano

it will be good for Marco. widens the market. he will always have the edge for features. i.e. Reading Lists is Safari only. what is that, 5% of the desktop market? - Jamie

aw shucks Paul thanks - Tina Chase Gillmor

Danny is on twitter saying apple's cloud strategy is playing catchup now... - Mark Vaske

Google docs = Pathetic = Yes :-) - PXLated

office 365 might impress - paisano

Danny is crazy - Jamie

John hit it on the nose - Google = UGLY - PXLated

docs and open with version histories perhaps? - Mark Vaske

The Beatles landed on iTunes Nov.16 2010. It is a scary and bold statement to say that iTunes have 99% of the music we care about. I love simplicity of iTunes and Apple, but we must embrace all music and art !!! -like we must love all people, regardless of race, skin or color. Shame on you :-) - Fredrik Darum

It will push Google but KILL Microsoft - Ralph Henson

MS looks pretty strong to me. Office 365 kills Google Docs. WP7 so much more refined and powerful than Android. Their media story is that much stronger. Then there is the gaming side (that dashboard today looked awful like apps coming to xbox). - Jamie

Do you think it'll be easier for Apple to add collaboration or Google to grow a right-brain? - PXLated

are you trolling me, Jamie? - Kevin Marks

absolutely not. - Jamie

@kevin did they say the version history disappeared. I didn't see it. I saw options to lock a document to create a template... - Mark Vaske

yes, Phil Schiller sais 'when you email it, the history is not sent' - they have CVS, not git - Kevin Marks

ok i believe you - Mark Vaske

JohnT: sometimes being boring turns real exciting. Consumerized enterprise must be coming w/ a bang. - clive boulton

i keep thinking friendfeed was dead...why has facebook kept it going? Glad..but surprised they didn't just take its features and kill it - paisano

"Lion's built-in screen sharing will work with Apple IDs." - Jamie

Good to hear Scoblizer tell about Enterprise on the Apple - clive boulton

@cliveb - totally agree - consumerized enterprises are the current and future kings/not the past. - John Taschek

using windows apps on macs? that's a very particular hell - Kevin Marks

salesforce is soiling themselves now - paisano

windows mass of apps are 10+ years old. Apps from iOS are under 5 years old and many are ported right into the mac app store - Mark Vaske

Kevin: heh, they aren't that bad. I still run WIndows on my Mac occassionally. - Robert Scoble

Mark: most iOS apps are less than two years old. - Robert Scoble

windows won the enterprise because of apps, and now their apps are old - Mark Vaske

@robert - exactly - Mark Vaske

Doesn't anyone care that Apple has so much control? Apple and Facebook - Francine Hardaway

Forget Microsoft - Francine Hardaway

90% of corp workforce does not need Office - If they don't need Office, they don't need Microsoft - PXLated

I'm in IT and still spend a buttload on Microsoft licenses ...glad it's the post pc era...sheesh - paisano

It might even be 98% - PXLated

minecraft on xbox - imagine the kinect integration - Kevin Marks

even vmware enterprises rely on microsoft licenses for windows servers... - paisano

Kevin - How many xBoxes sold vs iDevices/Macs? - PXLated

Corp workforce reliance on Windows doesn't limit itself to Office. There are hundreds of thousands of LOB apps - Jamie

That's true Jamie but those can be accessed through Citrix or other means can't they? - PXLated

Kevin looks a wee bit like Albert Finney - paisano

I hope that's a good thing; he is a quite a bit older than me - Kevin Marks

yes .lol..i meant to say younger Finney...cheers - paisano

And what if you don't want/trust the cloud - Francine Hardaway

Somethings afoot at Microsoft (it may be Ballmers feet) strategy is shifting to design, coming from ScottGu's team - clive boulton

Francine: I have a Windows XP machine you can have! ;-) - Robert Scoble

cloud 1.0 vs cloud 2.0 - 1.0 = mail, calendar, contacts. 2.0 = 1.0 + apps, books, pictures, music, video - Mark Vaske

Apple will create the first usable robot - Fredrik Darum

cliveb: Sinofsky knows his big challenge is to keep up with Apple. - Robert Scoble

Great question Francine... then wait for umbrella...which will block icloud access - paisano

cliveb: I don't see good things for Microsoft ahead. They should have bet harder on Xbox instead of Windows brand. Poor leadership there. - Robert Scoble

Scoble don't be a turncoat on Microsoft - paisano

you owe them everything - paisano

Does your sunburn hurt Robert? Looks painful :-( - PXLated

Robert: Sinofsky - he's moving backwards faster. - clive boulton

did you see some of the Xbox announcements today? - Jamie

paisano: no I don't. I had thousands of readers a day before I got to Microsoft. But, agree, Microsoft was very good to me. - Robert Scoble

looks like they are betting hard in this space. - Jamie

Jamie: yes. Xbox is pretty good, but I'm talking about mobile and desktop. - Robert Scoble

I enjoy Steve's ramblings on TC...so poetic stream of consciousness stuff. The trolls hate it... - paisano

Jamie: it's called WINDOWS Phone 7. Not Xbox Portable. - Robert Scoble

thank to all the Gang members and all the chat folks. you guys ROCK! - Tina Chase Gillmor

Yup Trolls hate Steve - clive boulton

thank you - paisano

but it contains Xbox Live :) - Jamie

It was awesome! - Robert Scoble

Jamie: contains is not enough. - Robert Scoble

Tina - Good to be live for a change - PXLated

Jamie: Windows Phone 7 is failing and failing hard. - Robert Scoble

terrific GG timing / realtime! - clive boulton

Jamie: and it isn't gonna be able to get back up. - Robert Scoble

the trolls had aneurysm whem Steve wrote about Rosebud... huh? what? - paisano

Jamie: developers around the world are voting actively against WP7. - Robert Scoble

Jamie: and that's death. - Robert Scoble

I heard you shitting on it in the last show. im a fan personally, though the app situation isn't ideal. - Jamie

Jamie: it's not ME shitting on it. It's the developers. - Robert Scoble

Jamie: I'm just the messenger. - Robert Scoble

no, you were last week - Jamie

you said it was horrible lol - Jamie

yea Robert you couldn't just use the windows 7 phone for a whole day... - paisano

Jamie: well, it is. Use it. It lags. It has features missing. Cut and paste anyone? And apps just totally suck on it. - Robert Scoble

cut and paste is on there. did you get the update? - Jamie

paisano: I keep using it, actually, because the Microsoft fanboys say I needed to give it more than that. - Robert Scoble

win8 looks great...so does ie10 - paisano

Jamie: hmmmm. Let me pull it out. Hang out. - Robert Scoble

is it too late? - paisano

paisano: it's too late. 2012? Give me a break. - Robert Scoble

Microsoft likes to make us w8 - paisano

7.5 has a very solid list of features though. a lot of which were announced today by Apple. for me it has by and large caught up with the kind of core functionality you would expect, as well as excelling in areas like gaming, media (particularly over Android) - Jamie

that said, it lags when it comes to apps. - Jamie

$29 vs $$$ for w8 - clive boulton

and i agree about quality...twitter for iphone is so much better than twitter for WP it isnt even funny - Jamie

Microsoft's dinosaur era development life cycles have hurt them... it's all about iteration now - paisano

Oh, sorry, I see there's an update available for WP7 but I gotta connect it to a PC and I don't have a PC. - Robert Scoble

what have you released for me lately - paisano

you can do it on a Mac robert - Jamie

via the Windows Phone Connector. That's how I updated - Jamie

Its in the Mac App Store - Jamie

Product design cadence killing MS - clive boulton

Jamie: hmmm. Got it. Damn that's intuitive. - Robert Scoble

not ideal OOBE. but funnily enough I find the syncing mechanism (it picks up your iTunes library/playlists/podcasts etc) to be better than what it is on the PC via Zune - Jamie

Redmond must stop LOAP development (Lipstick on a Pig) and go whole hog from the ground up - paisano

not sure W8 is that though. the whole "its just a skin" meme is kinda stupid - Jamie

Windows 8: The Beginning of the End of Windows http://bit.ly/lMohcZ - clive boulton

i know...win8 is pleasant radical departure - paisano

clearly W8 is a platform in itself... with a new app environment... apis specifically for it. the likes of engadget and thisismynext are writing it off as some kind of HTC-sense piece of work. crazy. - Jamie

much needed - paisano

the question for me is not why it runs "classic" windows, but whether it will run adequately on low power chips, and deliver the 8-10 hours battery life needed - Jamie

windows phone picks up your itunes libraries? Won't Apple squash that like they did to WebOS on palm? - Kevin Marks

everythink waiting:) wanna move?: http://www.insulationcavity.com/ - insulation

People will not follow Three Streams! - Moe Glitz

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