Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
David Lloyd,
Stephen Pickering,
Robert Scoble,
Naor Mark,
Tina Chase Gillmor,
Alex de Soto,
Moe Glitz,
Domenico Perri,
Denise Howell,
Ralph Henson,
and
Jerome Hughes
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12:58 PM. Guess we start in about 15-20 min.? :-)
- Ralph Henson
is there a lag?
- Kevin Marks
I have really missed this.
- Francine Hardaway
I see nothing
- Francine Hardaway
lag? Is that an British term?
- Ralph Henson
Heh. Waiting for the phone call. It's already 1:02. Ralph: we usually get started at about 1:10.
- Robert Scoble
well, in British English it means a convict more than it means a delay
- Kevin Marks
He can't call. nobody knows your phone number. :-)
- Ralph Henson
standby. we are aboutto make ithappen
- Tina Chase Gillmor
OK so there mre quite a few 'lags' here!
- Ralph Henson
I almost gave up LOL
- Francine Hardaway
Heh. I'm standing by on Skype too, which is how we do this.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Robert. Got a ticket to the Tech Crunch party, which this year is at AOL!
- Francine Hardaway
having a minor tech delay. almost there
- Tina Chase Gillmor
there's the stream!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Francine: I thought just the CrunchUp was at AOL.
- Robert Scoble
aaah. Next time I will read before clicking. Regardless I have a ticket. and for WordCamp SF. SO up there July and August
- Francine Hardaway
They are connecting us now.
- Robert Scoble
So, Ralph's guess of about 15-minute delay is probably accurate. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
No biggie, we're used to it if we are TWiT fans. hehehehehehhehe
- Stephen Pickering
I'll be on TWiT on Sunday too, but everytime I do that Gillmor says I'm fired so please don't tell him, OK? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
hahahhahhahahahahahhha
- Stephen Pickering
I will keep it a secret.
- Francine Hardaway
I heard that Robert!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
:-)
- Robert Scoble
But I didn't tell
- Francine Hardaway
Mottled or dappled rather than motley here
- Kevin Marks
Mötley Crüe is an LA Band.
- Alex de Soto
Metallica is playing at Salesforce's event. Can't wait!
- Robert Scoble
more parties = good :D
- Jerome Hughes
like having both buying and selling realtors
- Kevin Marks
or husband's and wife's divorce attorneys
- Jerome Hughes
geez Steve is orange today. We have to revamp the lighting in here!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I wish skype would surface OS X's white balance controls dialog. I spent some time on that...
- Kevin Marks
this isn't a test?? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
bleaugh at viral loops and addiction
- Kevin Marks
+1 Kevin. I am addicted to nothing
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: you are addicted to life.
- Robert Scoble
That is too true
- Francine Hardaway
We're gonna need Gigabit Internet before Web Centric apps become interesting and that will eventually happen but may be 10 years
- Stephen Pickering
Wow. Google AdWords is advertising on this Stream
- Francine Hardaway
that their customers don't want
- Jerome Hughes
For instance imagine a web centric Logic where I could jam with others around the world and the experience was as good as the desktop app
- Stephen Pickering
Steve's right
- Francine Hardaway
HTML5 cough? I haven't seen that extension to the spec
- Kevin Marks
With Apps there is less friction. For instance Photoshop is too intimidating but Instagram and Camera+ are cheap, effective, and fun!
- Stephen Pickering
I bet everyone has all their bases covered just in case
- Francine Hardaway
isn't Steve always right? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Or thinks he is
- Francine Hardaway
Steve is opaque enough to be interpreted as right after the fact?
- Kevin Marks
Others have said that. Oh right, like the Bible! Make him feel good
- Francine Hardaway
lots more friction
- Jerome Hughes
good point Robert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Nothing has ever been more frictionless than the App store
- Francine Hardaway
Less frictionful?
- Francine Hardaway
iOS users have more $$$
- Alex de Soto
Because "good" android apps are hard to come by.
- Darren Bounds
The bottom of the pyramid is on Android?
- Francine Hardaway
Google has conditioned us not to pay for stuff, Apple has conditioned us to pay for stuff.
- Stephen Pickering
+1 @Stephen
- Naor Mark
Google gets us to pay for stuff from people who pay them
- Jerome Hughes
Thanks @Naor ! :D
- Stephen Pickering
and sometimes that's much bigger stuff with higher $
- Jerome Hughes
6/30 deadline on the in-app purchase thing; grabbing links -
- Denise Howell
Gray, the studio cat, is crying to get back in. Usually I banish him while we record. He doesn't lke that.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Safari is an app! heheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Safari share is shrinking
- Kevin Marks
on the phone obviously its apps, but on tablet with more real estate browsing may at least be equal
- Stephen Pickering
is webkit share shrinking?
- Jerome Hughes
+1 Stephen
- Francine Hardaway
Webkit is growing, largely due to Chrome.
- Darren Bounds
Apple has the richest users...
- Kevin Marks
is Apple selling Safari?
- Jerome Hughes
On the iPad I use the browser more
- Francine Hardaway
I do what Phil does
- Francine Hardaway
The most common web browsers and browser versions today -- http://royal.pingdom.com/2011...
- Darren Bounds
But what difference does it make if you are using Facebook through an app or the web?
- Stephen Pickering
none
- Francine Hardaway
there's more utility on the web
- Jerome Hughes
in #FB, that is
- Jerome Hughes
I watched all of Season 5 of Big Love on the iPad. Not with Airplay
- Francine Hardaway
Adult?
- Darren Bounds
I prefer watching movies on iPad to TV. I'm more engrossed in it, more intimate
- Stephen Pickering
Robert watches porn on his IPad. Pass it on:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Darren: R rated or higher. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Kevin's natural light is getting weird
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Francine, do I have to get the video for you that sings "the Internet is for porn?"
- Robert Scoble
Both are growing and will continue to grow
- Stephen Pickering
thanks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Breaking out my Gillmor translation device.
- Darren Bounds
Is it the internet, or apps, Robert? LOL
- Francine Hardaway
The advantage of the web is the Cloud, the advantage of native is speed and processing power, both have their + and - and both will continue to grow
- Stephen Pickering
And then how will I watch this live without Flash?
- Francine Hardaway
I carry a a big bag with me always now so I can carry my ipad always
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can't enjoy turntable without flash either
- Stephen Pickering
If/when Android becomes as or more monetizable than iOS and HTML5 mobile experiences continue improve at the same rate they are now, there shouldn't be much reason to build native applications in 1-2 years.
- Darren Bounds
Francine: hopefully soon. Ustream sucks and forces use of a specific workflow. Since Gillmor uses a Tricaster it is flash only.
- Robert Scoble
Darren: which is why I focus mostly on distribution.
- Robert Scoble
In business distribution is everything
- Stephen Pickering
Exactly. Which is why apps are winning.
- Robert Scoble
Or, I should say, growing faster. Websites still have Google.
- Robert Scoble
someone get a lighting expert to call me!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
But when I use Google it usually brings me temporarily to websites. Apps are for things I want a permanent relationship with.
- Robert Scoble
Shouldn't there be a dial you can turn to fix this TIna:-)
- Francine Hardaway
And that's why to add them to your home scree,
- Francine Hardaway
lens flare is cool
- Kevin Marks
But with the web you get better syncing so to speak. For instance my weight loss app on iPhone and iPad don't sync but if they were web based...
- Stephen Pickering
Waiting for HTML5
- Francine Hardaway
Stephen: mine do. Instagram syncs with the web just fine.
- Robert Scoble
apple concedes web apps for icloud: http://techcrunch.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
Stephen: lots of weight loss apps sync to other places. If they don't, they should be pushed to. But true webapps can't talk to the GPS inside the phone.
- Robert Scoble
The Wells Fargo app is very limited
- Francine Hardaway
Because Instagram uses the web as its back end and places the data there
- Stephen Pickering
Web (html) apps need to make sure that they have cool icon images built in to their code. Easy to do for iOS. Easy in-app monetization is harder to do but not impossible. And NFC will bring app impulse buy behaviors to retailers and physical goods. WIth each buy, you could give consumer option to "drop" an app on the buyers' mobile device. Does not matter if it's native or not.
- Alex de Soto
So if the Apple / Android app store supported the installation of mobile web apps to the desktop the issue would go away?
- Darren Bounds
Light. Easy to choose.Cheap or fee
- Francine Hardaway
offline issues for web apps are still tricky: http://www.toolness.com/wp...
- Kevin Marks
I like the idea of a Chrome Webstore-like service for Android and/or iOS.
- Darren Bounds
the term is "average" people
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Node.js has nothing to do with this arguement.
- Darren Bounds
Robert and Steve assuming that normal people have the device density that we do... is a bit much
- Kevin Marks
I would have thought we would have a "light" show today... but not so.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
We're talking about alternate ways to render and interact with information on a mobile device. Node JS is an application server.
- Darren Bounds
apart from the sunlight in the lens form me, you mean?
- Kevin Marks
what's the app?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Phil means the node.js support for socket.io I think
- Kevin Marks
The whole reason for native apps initially was for user experience on a small real estate screen
- Stephen Pickering
Wow. I agree with Steve. #firsttimeforeverything
- Darren Bounds
Kevin: yup, and I just visited Nowjs yesterday and they are building an interesting real-time system for web.
- Robert Scoble
thanks for the link Robert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm using the web to watch this show
- Stephen Pickering
Average users
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Cheaper
- Francine Hardaway
The Androids phones are often cheaper
- Francine Hardaway
I was waiting for that, Tina :)
- Hilary Talbot
;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
They're looking at the rest of the World where Windows brand is more popular and respected than within the Geek community in America and the UK
- Stephen Pickering
Having spent the last week in the UK, Apple is definitely running away with the market here. Many Android devices but most users I've spoken with would rather have an iPhone.
- Darren Bounds
In UK alone, Google’s Android Operating System accounts for 44.9% of the whole smartphone market. Having grown steadily from last year’s 37.4%, the Android OS gained 8.3% in market share as opposed to Apple’s iOS which showed a decline of 13.3% from 2010′s 32.9% to this year’s 19.6%. Being so, iOS remained Android’s close contender as it holds the number three spot with RIM’s BlackBerry struggling on the second place with 20.9% after it gained 2.3% from the previous year’s 18.6% record. This year’s figures covers 12 weeks ending February 20th 2011.
- Kevin Marks
let me find newer ones, but i bet iOS is displacing blackberry
- Kevin Marks
i just downloaded a london pocket guide for one trip
- Francine Hardaway
what?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Totally agree that Apple is the best, but must have a ton of respect for Google getting in early enough to be a respectable competition. Just that act alone shows the competitive nimbleness of Google to me, the fact that they executed on Android
- Stephen Pickering
Is it true that Apple will launch it's own Mapping Service
- Moe Glitz
Kevin: That's interesting. I definitely see an Android majority but most people seem to want an iPhone. Why they don't buy one, I'm not sure. Cost? Carrier?
- Darren Bounds
Darren: answer to why people choose Android over iPhones: http://www.quora.com/Android...?
- Robert Scoble
Wow, tricky switching today...lots of it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert: Specifically here in the UK.
- Darren Bounds
JK Rowling just ignored both Kindle and iBooks with Pottermore
- Moe Glitz
Pottermore books work on Kindle and Ipad etc
- David Lloyd
Robert: Yes, I've read your Quora response. I think it's quite accurate.
- Darren Bounds
Darren: it might be carrier focused. Also, use of phones in UK culture is quite different than here. The newspapers put texting numbers on top of front page there, for instance. I've never seen that here. So, there's a very strong texting culture.
- Robert Scoble
pottermore is ePub, right?
- Kevin Marks
pottermore has been touted as working on all ereaders and tablets so yes probablyepub
- David Lloyd
Harry Potter Forever
- Moe Glitz
That's one Android Advantage the 5" screens
- Stephen Pickering
people in restaurants dont talk to each other they just play on their phones!
- David Lloyd
and the 7" ones
- Kevin Marks
Form factor choice
- Stephen Pickering
Similar experience for much less money
- David Lloyd
yes
- Francine Hardaway
Blackberry users liek their keyboards
- Kevin Marks
Damn, I could tear some Logic up on that sucker!
- Stephen Pickering
I've got one down from that - the quad-core 15, 12 gigs RAM. Hanging onto the MBP for travel, but I bet I won't open it much.
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
someone has people like mine
- Francine Hardaway
almost everyone hates it
- Francine Hardaway
Cute!
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
multicam is needed for live cutting
- Kevin Marks
?
- Darren Bounds
yaaaaaaay
- Francine Hardaway
Congratulations! Looks like you had lots of viewers today.
- Alex de Soto
Peace, out
- Stephen Pickering
Great show all, vintage Gang - thanks!
- Denise Howell
Thanks to everyone... especially the chat gang!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks everyone!
- Robert Scoble
whats that
- insulation