Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1p

Starting shortly... - Robert Scoble

Happy Friday! - Kenny

I'm not getting audio? - Jerry Schuman

me neither - Ankush Narula

No audio here either. - Alex de Soto

guessing it's an off mic coversation - Jerry Schuman

Don't think it officially started yet...I guess - Kenny

then again..... - Kenny

no audio here - empiricator

they're stirring up the pot for round two of Scoble vs. Sullivan - Jerry Schuman

Hello Gillmor Gang!!! - Edwin Khodabakchian

There's no audio - Stephen Pickering

there we go - Ankush Narula

there ya go...we have sound - Kenny

Now there is - Stephen Pickering

audio is now up - Jerry Schuman

6,7,8 - Kenny

Better with audio! - Edwin Khodabakchian

exalogic conversation - empiricator

enterprise / corporations - all large organizations are getting disrupted - damn internet ;-) - Xenophrenia

zomg are we talking enterprise tech today?? - Richard

Richard: hopefully not. :-) - Robert Scoble

But Oracle World was this week, with 41,000 attendees so deserves a mention. - Robert Scoble

was just saying when watching TWiL that the internet is like water - getting into the cracks and weakening the stucture - Xenophrenia

it's a speed to scale... - Jerry Schuman

Capex vs Opex - empiricator

which is dangerous if there is any sort of disruption - say a major power grid failure - Xenophrenia

Also, when your hd crashes, your docs don't dissappear. - Stephen Pickering

horizontal or vertical scaling by clicking buttons.. not procuring, building, installing and maintaining hardware. - Jerry Schuman

Most Enterprises/business are not in the cloud right now - very small percentage are in the cloud - Kenny

Is Oracle more frightened of cloud databases in general or noSQL cloud databases in particular? - Ankush Narula

without power there is no cloud ;-) - something we need to consider moving to the cloud - Xenophrenia

no power in your own datacenter and there still is no data... no difference - Jerry Schuman

Ankush: all the above. - Robert Scoble

@Ankush Narula nosql is currently a web thing. in the enterprise, transactions and data integrity are still more important than pure scalability - Edwin Khodabakchian

Checkout Azure http://www.microsoft.com/windows... - empiricator

if it doesn't effect you directly but the connection to the cloud it might - there are just things that need to be thought of when doing this - we are vulnerable - ;-) - Xenophrenia

Isn't it weird, we use the cloud on our desktops and the metal on our iPads? - Stephen Pickering

Google's entire enterprise sales team is like 60 people. Microsoft... I have no idea - Jerry Schuman

Jerry: the evangelism team alone is 1,200 people at Microsoft. That's not counting salespeople. - Robert Scoble

APAR's keep me employed. - Jim Posner

@Edwin - how far away are we from XA transaction support in CouchDB or MongoDB? - Ankush Narula

What Browser does Steve use?? - Kenny

IE the browser that launches most often to download a better browser - Jerry Schuman

My guess is far. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Google Marketplace has potential for major disruption in the enterprise. - Jerry Schuman

Mac client is integrated into the Finder - Jerry Schuman

Is you start layering all that things transactional apps need to a nosql db, you end up having something that looks very similar to a traditional RDBMS - Edwin Khodabakchian

@Edwin - I'm gonna have to think about that - Ankush Narula

Apple has no Cloud Strategy, and if they don't get one, Google Pads will overtake them - Stephen Pickering

Hey Robert - This is @Double_K - thx for the response, audio is up and working now - Kenny

Apple has a cloud strategy and it will be revealed over time.. slowly, carefully - Jerry Schuman

@Stephen - 160M active credit cards in iTMS seems like a pretty good start - Ankush Narula

Apple is a closed and highly profitable competitor would be a better statement - Jerry Schuman

Jerry I don't believe it. They're just not good at it and its going to take more than one server farm in NC to scale one - Stephen Pickering

I agree with Stephen. Apple is losing in social and services. Big time and I am seeing signs that they will continue to lose. - Robert Scoble

Apple building its cloud at this massive data centre here http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archive... - empiricator

Ankush, I agree, but when I can't edit a pages document from anywhere, even after I buy the app and the program on my computer, its just a pain. - Stephen Pickering

Robert? have you had the chance to play with Windows Phone 7? - Edwin Khodabakchian

Robert-Do you think there is any criminal liability in the angelgate debacle? - Jim Posner

If so how to you think Apple is going to react to the WP7 start experience - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin: yes, it's pretty nice. No apps though. - Robert Scoble

Jim: I don't think so, but I am not a lawyer. - Robert Scoble

I don't think Apple is in any rush into this space. I think they will study every nuance, every failure and every success to produce a product/service suite that meets Apple's needs and the customer that they intimately know. - Jerry Schuman

It is surreal that Apple has almost a 300 Billion Market Cap though - Stephen Pickering

Apple is investing $1 Billion in the cloud http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archive... - empiricator

first failure at FB... think that was Beacon - Jerry Schuman

it's not a failure, it's just not a success - Kenny

Gowalla! - Stephen Pickering

seems like innovation in the location/places space has plateaued. - Jim Posner

they don't do social - maybe it's the engineers and not Google? - Xenophrenia

Ping! Was waiting for that - Ankush Narula

he's not a people person - Xenophrenia

he's never been good at social - Kenny

all may be true but Social is a big market and Apple doesn't get it - Kenny

Apple's strength is poise and leadership. Not reacting to trends in the market. I think it's naive to count them out of social or the cloud. - Ankush Narula

Foursquare is testing location based recommendation engine http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story... - empiricator

location doesn't stand on its own - Jerry Schuman

You can't count out Ping. I think they'll learn from it. Maybe it's like the Lisa of the social world. - John Taschek

just like the local search market is still up for grabs. - Jerry Schuman

Females don't use Check Ins much - Stephen Pickering

I think Foursquare did a good job with location --- made it game-like. I'm sure location will evolve given time. - Alex de Soto

Steve Jobs thinks most other people are beneath him - great for doing business not so hot with social skills - Xenophrenia

Automatic instant recommendation is the next thing - empiricator

Xeno, exactly - Stephen Pickering

Clearly these technologies are in their infancy. The fact that they have so much traction is amazing. - John Taschek

be interesting for a history app..what happened here historically. - Jim Posner

Discovery is still the killer app... it crosses all interfaces, devices and services. - Jerry Schuman

Amateur Hour is Over!, said Jobs! hehehheeh - Stephen Pickering

females don't use check in for very valid reasons ;-) ... I would never use it - especially on Facebook - don't trust them ;-) - Xenophrenia

Oh sure, I totally understand, Xeno - Stephen Pickering

Instant Personal Discovery Recommendation - empiricator

That's actually how Robert gets people to buy drinks ;-) - Jerry Schuman

NO! Tagging friends is a horrible idea - Kenny

Because I can tag someone whos not really there - Kenny

They definitely need to get businesses involved with some kind of reward - Stephen Pickering

yay - a psycho ex-boyfriend with a mutual friend now knows where I am ;-) ... good idea ... - Xenophrenia

E-World 1988 - Jerry Schuman

For instance, I checked in at a store and restaurant today, but I got no reward, no discount, or even aknowledgement from the business - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: that takes time, clearly coming. - Robert Scoble

Re: mobile LBS, none of the indoor locations are mapped out yet... - micello

Today Foursquare is testing location based recommendation engine http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story... - empiricator

Mobile + Cloud + Location = Cool - Alex de Soto

Stephen - Try shopkick for rewards - Kenny

are major companies too big to move fast enough for how fast things are changing with the internet? - Xenophrenia

now i'm gonna have to check inon Facebook cuz robert does. Gotta try it - Tina Chase Gillmor

Xenophrenia: yes. - Robert Scoble

so the internet is going to level the playing field by allowing the small to slip past the big? ;-) - Xenophrenia

Boy, there's such an opportunity for restaurants and retailers, since there's so much competition in those spaces to use rewards to keep people choosing them - Stephen Pickering

throw augmented reality into the mix - Jerry Schuman

Tina: it doesn't do much yet on Facebook and isn't controllable enough yet. - Robert Scoble

Oh with Get Glue I can check into the Gillmor Gang! hehhehehehh - Stephen Pickering

Android= Mobile Ads Revenue for Google - empiricator

Claiming a Place on Facebook for a business takes too much time. Google has a better system. - Alex de Soto

Google gets no revenue for Android - its free - Kenny

empiractor: absolutely right - ads + mobile is key to Google success with Android - John Taschek

Oh I wann try GetGlue too. How is it? - Tina Chase Gillmor

Check in enough times on GetGlue and you get a Tina sticker - Jerry Schuman

Schmidt hinted that there was a lot coming from Android in the near future. - John Taschek

taschek:yes - empiricator

John: yes. A social network! :-) - Robert Scoble

being right is a fatal flaw??? - oh boy - I'm gonna stop trying to be right from now on ... - Xenophrenia

Charles blog: http://www.platformonomics.com/ - Alex de Soto

GetGlue? Do we need another check-in? What's different? - John Taschek

Oh its great, Tina, fun to check into shows and movies, etc - Stephen Pickering

Robert- What is going on with DataSift...they seem to really be taking their time opening up the beta....do you regularly use it? - Jim Posner

Jim: I don't have it yet. Nick promises "soon." I think he's showing off at Techcrunch Disrupt next week. - Robert Scoble

Mobile Ads is the battle - empiricator

Jerry: a Tina sticker. lol! - Tina Chase Gillmor

Get Glue is more of a "Virtual" Check in, you check in to books you are reading, movies, TV shows - Stephen Pickering

I want a Tina sticker! - Robert Scoble

That's right: Segmented Quarter reporting - empiricator

yeah - cuz the stock market is so rational about it's decisions - Xenophrenia

Just emailed Get Glue to add Gillmor Gang - Stephen Pickering

Larry Ellison wants Android to counter SAP/Sybase - clive boulton

legally? - Xenophrenia

What about Facebook entering Mobile?? - empiricator

could they lock out Google legally? - Xenophrenia

aw geez goofy Gillmor Gang stickers. I love it - Tina Chase Gillmor

What about Facebook entering adverstising? - empiricator

they can make Bing the default - but to actually cut them out would cause issues for them wouldn't it? - Xenophrenia

Xenophrenia: they don't need to lock them out in an illegal way. Go to Apple iPhone. What map is used? Google's. Have you ever tried any other map there? It's not possible. - Robert Scoble

damn, I bought bought Baidu at 60 sold at 100, now its 945! - Stephen Pickering

Xenophrenia: the default is HUGE. - Robert Scoble

Pre 10 for 1 split - Stephen Pickering

Robert: yeah - but you guys are talking about them not allowing Google on the phone - Xenophrenia

I sold Apple at 22 before it split. Big mistake. - Robert Scoble

Xenophrenia: Apple already doesn't allow Mapquest to be on the iPhone. - Robert Scoble

If we start talking about carriers lets talk about the FCC decision yesterday... talk about disruption. - Jerry Schuman

Xenophrenia: do you think anyone is going to switch off of the defaults? I don't. - Robert Scoble

Facebook entering mobile+advertising is the big enemy http://www.businessweek.com/magazin... - empiricator

isn't there a new Verizon Android phone that is out that has Bing as the default?? - Kenny

Kenny: that's what we're talking about. - Robert Scoble

sorry, took a call and missed a bit :( - Kenny

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop on Verizons app store for developers. Have the distinct feeling the old $$$ for development from the BREW days is coming back. - Jerry Schuman

Robert; I would - but that's me ;-) - Xenophrenia

Ooooooh, the Facebook iPhone and iPad apps suck! - Stephen Pickering

I don't like anyone deciding for me what I'm going to use - Xenophrenia

nice pregnant pause from Steve.... how do we make that a sticker? - Jerry Schuman

They've never even updated them - Stephen Pickering

Xenophrenia: you are a geek. - Robert Scoble

So am I. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert: there need to be more of us ;-) - Xenophrenia

Oh good. I get to catch some of the show live for a change. Did the cloud people come in peace? - Amyloo

You can see Places on Facebook mobile for iPhone which is a good way to market a "place." - Alex de Soto

Amyloo: hah! Not according to Oracle. - Robert Scoble

+ massive banner ads - micello

could the ad layer on uStream be any worse? https://techauratransfer.s3.am... - Jerry Schuman

Steve: that's what I don't like about Facebook - Xenophrenia

Amyloo; Some came in peace. Others left in pieces.... (sorry) - John Taschek

I only use it because my family does - Xenophrenia

No - Stephen Pickering

Peace line was priceless. - Amyloo

in the social space - Google has a lot room for improvement - Xenophrenia

there is no stock yet is there? - Xenophrenia

Any once catch Colbert on CSPAN..watched it live..quite surreal - Jim Posner

It's true, Social hasn't found their secret sauce for making money like Google found with Adwords - Stephen Pickering

Revenue est. is $1.4 Billion 2010 - empiricator

Yes, but that's not enough liquidity to trust that valuation - Stephen Pickering

He didn't give it to the school.. he gave it to HIS foundation - Jerry Schuman

AngelGate! - Stephen Pickering

supposedly run in conjunction with the Mayor of Newark who also put in 100 million - Jerry Schuman

the media hasn't had anything to offer for quite some time - Jerry Schuman

Accept lowest common denominator types stuff - Stephen Pickering

It's hard not to put the two events together, given the timing. - Amyloo

and Lindsay Lohen is in jail again ;-) - Jerry Schuman

"vapidity" - Good word Steve! - Kenny

The media gets to decide the narrative and as we know their best-selling narrative is cynicism and vitriol. - Ankush Narula

this section is getting boring - empiricator

when teachers have to buy their own supplies - we have an issue ;-) - Xenophrenia

I'm cynical about SEO experts ;-) - Jerry Schuman

come on talk about FCC white space ruling - Jerry Schuman

Jerry: you're trying to save this show. Stop it! :-) - Robert Scoble

Jerry: Very funny...and timely! - John Taschek

I've been trying to save this show for two years! - Jerry Schuman

What about Angel Gate? - Stephen Pickering

"The #cloud is not a [Big Exalogic] box taller than me. Beware of the false cloud" @Benioff - empiricator

competitor to vmware maybe? - Ankush Narula

Can you put the (or even a) cloud in a box? - Amyloo

"litmus test: if you have to buy more hardware just to get started it is not a cloud" via @Werner - empiricator

He just bought a hardware company... wonder why he's worried - Jerry Schuman

Why did he buy Sun, for Java? - Stephen Pickering

we need saving? - Tina Chase Gillmor

phish - Tina Chase Gillmor

Phish rules! :-) - Stephen Pickering

Google used to sell boxes for radio stations too! - Alex de Soto

Stephen: Oracle is about large, centralized, databases and systems. Cloud is about breaking that up. Rackspace buys a lot of Dell and HP machines, not as many Oracle machines. - Robert Scoble

Oracle is building boxes because that is what their customers are asking - Edwin Khodabakchian

Capex vs Opex - empiricator

Oracle is a *very* pragmatic - sales oriented company - Edwin Khodabakchian

Anyone who says otherwise, does not know Oracle. - Edwin Khodabakchian

don't forget that Sun had a cloud play.. more a compute cloud then a general use cloud... - Jerry Schuman

Oracle is building boxes because the margins on big boxes are high...and they get a new maintenance stream through the virtualization technology. - John Taschek

Stargate SG-1 - Jerry Schuman

taschek: 100% right - empiricator

HW margins aren't very high...margins on the software is very high - Kenny

Oracle has 10,000s customers who have clusters with 100s of dell, hp machines... - Edwin Khodabakchian

Sun had a lot of cloud-like offerings. Almost everyone who worked on them left... - John Taschek

can you get youtube through a roku box? - Xenophrenia

In true form, Oracle will probably buy AWS and/or Rackspace if this whole Exalogic thing doesn't work out. - Ankush Narula

Netflix already made a billion dollar deal for more content - Stephen Pickering

Xenophrenia: yes, but you have to turn it on. - Robert Scoble

the exa line allows those customers to encapsulate those boxes into things which are simpler to install and upgrade...the ROI is dead simple - Edwin Khodabakchian

social graph tied to things like GoogleTV is going to be the monetization catalyst - Jerry Schuman

ooh ... this is sounding very tempting ... using a PS3 right now and I hate their interface - Xenophrenia

Ankush: since Rackspace is Open Source it'll probably be us, so he can crush yet another open source system. Sigh. - Robert Scoble

It would make totally sense at some point for Oracle to buy rackspace... - Edwin Khodabakchian

Xenophrenia: I agree with you. PS3's UI sucks. - Robert Scoble

I don't think I'm going to like seeing ads on my videos when watching it on a big screen. Ads on search results a whole different thing... - Amyloo

Right now they need to digest the Fusion Apps first - Edwin Khodabakchian

@Edwin - not for Rackspace customers - Ankush Narula

Why not... - Edwin Khodabakchian

Larry Ellison bashing the cloud a year ago http://www.youtube.com/watch... - empiricator

So Robert - would I be better off waiting for the Google box? ... all this stuff is taking too long to come out ;-) ... - Xenophrenia

It was Ellison that wanted everyone to have a thin client.. kind of counter intuitive - Jerry Schuman

@Edwin: I'm skeptical of anything Ellison touches - Ankush Narula

DoubleTwist works pretty well for Android - Kenny

Plus Ellison's personal investments in massively parallel architectures. Thin clients and big monster boxes make a lot of sense together. But Oracle never pulled it off. - John Taschek

;-( - Xenophrenia

TWIT is on Roku - Amyloo

should have tried VLC on iPad - Jerry Schuman

Boxee - Jerry Schuman

Shocker - Steve won't buy a google tv - Kenny

52" here ... - Xenophrenia

@Robert: GoogleTV the demos look plain awful - Ankush Narula

@Jerry: Agreed. - Ankush Narula

Wonder how many years it takes to stream bluray quality video over netflix? - Jim Posner

Steve - Yeah google's a big failure - Kenny

AirPlay + AppleTV shouldn't be underestimated - the AirPlay API's are exposed to developers - Ankush Narula

Jim, not very long if you live in Chattanooga, TN - Jerry Schuman

Don't count out Google's dark fiber - Jerry Schuman

Jim: Netflix streaming ain't all that blurry. Most people can't tell the difference. And YouTube's streaming last night was freaking awesome. - Robert Scoble

So Robert - best option to hook a computer up to the TV? ... You can get anything through the computer - would be nice if it were easier though - Xenophrenia

next big thing... we're going back to Agents. Everything old is new again. - Jerry Schuman

Instant recommendation agents-yes - empiricator

I want a sticker! - Jerry Schuman

Jerry I emailed Get Glue to add the Gillmor Gang :-) - Stephen Pickering

Netflix streaming is really excellent -- even in non HD. You need a lot of bandwidth though -- or more importantly ping performance. - John Taschek

Personally I like 4K ala RedCamera..4K experience on Youtube is less than optimal. - Jim Posner

John, what's Ping Performance? - Stephen Pickering

You need a 25' Screen for 4K optmization! - Stephen Pickering

Stephen - really I meant latency for the buffering aspect. You can check yours at http://www.pingtest.net/ - John Taschek

Ah, OK, thanks John. Glad I'm an EZCH investor, "Network Processors"! heheheehhe - Stephen Pickering

I dream of seeing 4K on a OLED ipad - Jim Posner

Nice - I hope they get specialized network processors in the televisions. Maybe they're there, but they are probably first generation. - John Taschek

Dang, even though I have a 22mb Comcast, my pingtest is taking forever, I must have a lot of latency issues. :-( - Stephen Pickering

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