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Stephen Pickering,
Karoli,
Robert Scoble,
Roman von Contzen,
Denise Howell,
testbeta,
Alex,
Christopher Harris,
Kathleen Hassinger,
and
Ankush Narula
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- Kathleen Hassinger
ready....go :)
- Kenny
Monster program today. Arrington, Doc Searls, and a cast of others will be on. It'll take a few minutes to set up the call, see you in a few minutes. I'm in Gillmor's kitchen.
- Robert Scoble
Make me a sandwich while you're in there. :D
- Outsanity
say hi to tina for me. hope you didn't give Calacanis the number...or else it'll be worse than a monster.
- Karoli
could you guys provide an audio feed? something like an internet radio?
- testbeta
Testbeta - the audio only version is available in the archives at http://www.building43.com/categor... - but not in real time. Sorry.
- Rob La Gesse
i meant live
- testbeta
The show should start shortly. Gillmor is hooking everyone up.
- Robert Scoble
So Google does Ustream's ad inventory? Interesting
- Stephen Pickering
video might not be able to stream in sync i am facing low speeds a live audio feed would be great+ friendfeed's commenting section for live question asking session
- testbeta
Still working on hooking everyone up. Sorry for the delay.
- Robert Scoble
Translation: no one can find Arrington. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
looking forward to it ;-)
- Xenophrenia
No problem Robert, expecting a great conversation w/ Arrington.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
okay so it seems i would have to listen to the archives ustream isn't streaming well low speed connection on my part thanks
- testbeta
Arrington can be summoned using AOL keywords
- Ankush Narula
Arrington's out shopping for private jets
- Stephen Pickering
lol noise
- Alex
I think he's stuck in a meeting. We'll have a good show anyway. Doc Searls, Danny Sullivan, John Tauschek, and others are on.
- Robert Scoble
signs of life
- Xenophrenia
Alex: you must be talking with someone I blocked. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Anyone know how you find the show in the iPhone upstream app?
- Amyloo
lol, steve....so many jokes, so little time.
- Karoli
No, Amyloo, last I checked Ustream app was horrible at finding shows, sorry
- Stephen Pickering
amyloo, i've never been able to find it.
- Karoli
Oh well. Thx
- Amyloo
this is what i love long sincere discussion here
- testbeta
Heheh. Technical difficulties getting everything to work...
- Robert Scoble
Ustream should just withdrawal that app - it's that bad.
- Rob La Gesse
Scoble - we can hear you :)
- Rob La Gesse
Oh, Arrington is on!
- Robert Scoble
Cool.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert, No one is delivering on your curation tools. What up with that?
- JDD Software
We can hear everyone :)
- Rob La Gesse
We're on!
- Robert Scoble
lolrobert
- Xenophrenia
Why does everyone's stream look like the 80's.. except Robert S. Steve?
- JDD Software
Scoble is on Rackspace :) Hee
- Rob La Gesse
guys do think about having a live audio feed too i would really appreciate that
- testbeta
It's poison
- JDD Software
I may have been kicked off the show, but I'm lurking....
- John Taschek
welcome to corporate media, Mike.
- Karoli
Does Mike have to fill out vacation request forms?
- John Taschek
aww
- Xenophrenia
Welcome to my life of Corporate Structure....LOL
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Arrington is more of an idealist than I am. LOL...good luck, Mike.
- Karoli
Administrative happiness - I like that one
- Xenophrenia
Hi all
- Nick Halstead
carol barz
- empiricator
lame humor - OVER and OVER ... get a new schtick
- Rocky Barbanica
i really wish it would actually start disrupting. just sayinn'
- Karoli
@Karoli - something needs to start disrupting - things are getting stagnant.
- Rob La Gesse
it is disrupting - only it's like water getting into the cracks - it's invisible until the structure is weakened to the point of the disruption ... it's starting to be felt though you see it in the reactions to internet media at the moment
- Xenophrenia
In a way, it's some kind of a coda. TechCrunch covered the Web 2.0 era almost from the beginning, and got acquired at the end of that era.
- LocoAds
Rob, I agree. but it doesn't right now. ppl b-cast this way, but it doesn't really get the traction that say, Rick Sanchez melting down on live TV does.
- Karoli
there are still people who connect to the internet through AOL though aren't there?
- Xenophrenia
I think AOL has about 5 million subscribers - not a small number but not what it once was
- Kenny
I agree, I don't think Mike should have sold. Things are just starting to take off in this space especially with the launch of live video
- Stephen Pickering
It's about timing, you don't know the future. Look at Digg.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
40% of AOLs revenue is dial-up internet http://www.geekosystem.com/aol-dia...
- empiricator
@empiricator - that was I was mentally referencing just didn't remember where I had seen it .. ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Someone offered good money, Mike sold. I don't think it's a bad decision.
- LocoAds
Steve is right on - the site is meaningless. It's the relationships with the VCs and tech companies.
- Ankush Narula
Loco: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Ankush: I disagree. Distribution is a huge deal.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, but AOL paid 5min video or something I've never heard of 65 million, so why did TC go for less?
- Stephen Pickering
Ankush: Techcrunch happened when there was HUGE disruption in publishing industry. Right now there's not so much disruption.
- Robert Scoble
Robert the huge disruption in live video is right now
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: good question! Siri went for $220 million and no one even used that yet.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: yes.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: exactly. TC started around the time Jason sold Weblogs, Inc.
- LocoAds
AOL is not diluting pageviews by adding TechCrunch - this is an additive affect. Engadget + TechCrunch = more than Engadget.
- Rob La Gesse
Stephen, actually aol bought 5min in right time
- Alex
ask mike what did he think when he wrote http://www.inc.com/magazin... AOL doesn't put holds to what was his free independant media
- testbeta
Robert: point taken - my point is that without Mike, Eric, Jason, MG, etc. there's less access to sources.
- Ankush Narula
Robert L is right. Engadget + TechCrunch is more than the sum of its parts. I assume AOL will go and acquire more disruptive sites (if there are any). It's the new mission.
- John Taschek
I would invest in companies that can actually, with a high degree of correlation, find online live video similar to the content I am currently interested in.
- Rob La Gesse
another area that is going to be disrupted and few seem to focus on is money, what it means, how its used, it's place in our interaction with it and the people around us and the whole culture of everything having a price ... the internet is disrupting ... period ... ;-).
- Xenophrenia
hyperlocal+vertical
- empiricator
Xenophrenia: it's a very interesting area. what is money as we move away from cash?
- LocoAds
techcrunch=fundamentally a hyperlocal (Sillicon Valley)+Vertical (startups) conversation
- empiricator
Watch the pageviews for both Engadget and TechCrunch as they start cross-posting articles.
- Rob La Gesse
empiricator: Techcrunch has employees all around the world.
- Robert Scoble
what is value? is it money? is it content? what is content and how we determine it's value and it's distribution ... all aspects ... the whole way we view the world ... ;-) ... I just see changes - like when you get the people who believe knowledge should 'free' ... all of this stuff ...
- Xenophrenia
the internet is changing how we view the world ... and I think a lot of the old media is seeing it's walls crumbling and they are desperately trying to create virtual walls ... just don't think it's possible to have 'real' walls in virtual space ...
- Xenophrenia
Sorkin hates the internet and social media. This was his personal take on it
- Stephen Pickering
I'll stop philosophizing now ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Sorkin hates bloggers
- Kenny
Lawrence Lessig seems to have the same take as Jeff Jarvis on the movie
- Xenophrenia
Lessig's review is the best.
- Robert Scoble
Do feel that it will cause a Facebook drop-off at all?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
No way.
- Robert Scoble
didn't Jarvis say the movie was an attack on geeks?
- Kenny
If anything it'll increase its use.
- Robert Scoble
agreeRobert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kenny, yeah,
- Stephen Pickering
Sorkin knows that more people can associate with the stud in the movie than with the geeky nerd.
- LocoAds
David Kirkpatrick on the Social Network: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...
- John Taschek
@Kenny - yep
- Xenophrenia
Lawrence Lessig is speaking at TEDx, San ANtonio this month - I've never seen him speak in person - really looking forward to that :)
- Rob La Gesse
John: Kirkpatrick knows Facebook better than anyone.
- Robert Scoble
Winklevoss?
- Stephen Pickering
Lessig rocks as a speaker.
- Robert Scoble
Lessig's article is the link I posted
- Xenophrenia
And as a human being.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I just wanted to say thanks to you for all your videos,conversations and twitter-lists. They are pricelsess experience and sources for young people here in Europe.Thanks ;)
- Alex
Alex: thanks! I'll be in Europe a lot next five months.
- Robert Scoble
Rob- Is it invite only?
- Jim Posner
Jim - no, it is public, but I think the deadline to register may be over - but shoot me an email - I may have some Rackspace invites to share (we are sponsoring it)
- Rob La Gesse
Robert - Lessig rocks period ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Of course, lawyers are gods :)
- LocoAds
gods of the underworld ;-)
- Xenophrenia
We have Donald Pink and Lawrence Lessig both in San Antonio this month - and we are involved in both events - I'm pleased :)
- Rob La Gesse
Rob-Thanks..will do.
- Jim Posner
Robert: that's great to hear, I hope I will meet you sometime in future. ;)
- Alex
Hollywood and the Media like to turn things that they don't understand into Spectors.
- Stephen Pickering
Larry has cohones ;-) Zuck didn't know how to drink vodka until Kevin Rose showed him ;-) (At least that's what I've heard Kevin say on one of the podcasts)
- LocoAds
Watch Sorkin and Fincher on Charlie Rose the other night - they addressed many of these questions.
- Ankush Narula
it's an ascetic thing - that bit of the Zuck character rings truer
- Kevin Marks
So Cal vs No Cal! hehehehheheh
- Stephen Pickering
A very good point by Steve. Mark built the site to address his handicap or need.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Here's Lessig's comments on how lawyers spoil tech http://www.tnr.com/article...
- Kevin Marks
@Kevin - Thanks, I was just looking for the link
- Kenny
Don't we all like talking about compilers?
- LocoAds
I prefer talking about linkers ;-)
- Ankush Narula
Loco: I do! :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Kevin tell me about it... met so many awful lawyers I almost lost faith in mankind ;-)
- LocoAds
Which is why I can hang out with these guys.
- Robert Scoble
Zuck gives 100 million to help educate our children - and he is what, 26? Sorry folks - it's hard to demonize a guy like that, no matter his other personal / social traits. Not like he is a pedophile or anything. Why hasn't that come up?
- Rob La Gesse
I enjoy hearing technical folks/founders discussing things other than tech..music, culture, family
- Jim Posner
Rob: good point.
- Robert Scoble
Geeks and Musicians are similar, they're absorbed in their own world, so what? So were Shamans. The world needs them both.
- Stephen Pickering
@Robert Which is why my wife thinks I need to spend more time with "real people" ;-)
- LocoAds
Loco: real people suck. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
what about Salesforce+Chatter
- empiricator
you don't think the 100 million was a PR stunt? Just happens to do it right before the movie comes out?
- Kenny
Human Highway
- Arnie Klaus
The Social Network reminds me that @lessig said east coast money comes from old crimes; west coast money comes from providing new facilities
- Kevin Marks
@Kenny even if it was, someone will get to benefit from that rainfall
- LocoAds
People are generally afraid of change - particularly technology driven change. So guys like Sorkin give them a voice.
- Ankush Narula
Kenny - no - those talks started WELL before the movie was being hyped. Besides, you can elect to look for the good in people, or assume the bad. I look for the good.
- Rob La Gesse
Kenny: if it were a PR stunt, who cares? You think that Bill Gates isn't doing it a little bit for PR too?
- Robert Scoble
I dont care if it was PR, if he gave 100M to education
- Alex
Kevin Marks Exactly! West Coast is about "entreprenuerial" while East Coast has a "how can we get the money" first feel, over innovation
- Stephen Pickering
Kenny: also, Oprah says he wanted to remain anonymous.
- Robert Scoble
Not saying it's not going to help lots of people but timing just seemed interesting
- Kenny
and the immediate 'billion dollar industry' reference - the whole monetary aspect of this has to change if it's going to be people that matter in this
- Xenophrenia
why NJ?
- Karoli
@Robert, well, yes, it's just as hard for me to follow their conversations as it is for them follow mine
- LocoAds
I wonder if Arrington will become a AOL exec.
- Jim Posner
Karoli: he met the Mayor and became enamoured of him and what he was trying to do.
- Robert Scoble
Jim - he already is an AOL exec - titles aren't as important as influence.
- Rob La Gesse
Rob: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Rob-Seems he is in the publishing space..wonder if he will drive a larger strategy play.
- Jim Posner
East Coast has the feel of inheritence and heirarchy in establishment, while West Coast has the feel of upstarts disrupting their world
- Stephen Pickering
I doubt Mike would have it any other way - and I think AOL bought Mike as much as they bought TechCrunch (or they are more stupid than even I think they are)
- Rob La Gesse
and both coasts are obsessed with money ... ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Mike owns 70% of Techcrunch so that's true.
- Robert Scoble
Only 37% of posts on twitter come from twitter.com: http://twittersource.info/lastwee...
- Kevin Marks
So, someone will buy Mashable next I guess
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: well, Arrington hates Mashable so I doubt it'll go to AOL. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Conde?
- Ankush Narula
Mashable goes to Yahoo?
- Rob La Gesse
Ha!
- Stephen Pickering
Rob: hahahah. Yeah, after Carol Bartz figures out what Yahoo is.
- Robert Scoble
@Kevin, but there is no larger single source of tweets, is there?
- LocoAds
is that what this means? Other tech media properties will be snapped upnow?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ankush: Conde doesn't even like Reddit, so that would be death for Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
What's weird is, Yahoo still has 2nd most page views in the world, why can't they do something with that?
- Stephen Pickering
Tina - historically, yes - a feading frenzy starts.
- Rob La Gesse
Tina: investors and MA happens in packs.
- Robert Scoble
Wired and Ars seem to be doing well under Conde. *shrug*
- Ankush Narula
no Loco, that's the point - they have a huge long tail of clients
- Kevin Marks
bets on the next to pop?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I wonder why old media companies like WP and NYT are not buying any new media properties.
- Jim Posner
@Rober, maybe Naspers will buy Mashable?
- LocoAds
Jim: those properties still are managed by people who are struggling to like new media.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: NYT is not a fane of new media
- Kenny
Maybe IAC?
- Stephen Pickering
@Jim Posner - good point. The old media companies do have large cash positions. I think they lack the vision to figure out what do with the cash - consolidate the media or go disruptive.
- John Taschek
@kevin I see, understood :)
- LocoAds
Seems NYT has some smart people on the tech side that are working for them..must not have much business influence.
- Jim Posner
Jim - I don;t think the NYT is nimble enough to do much of anything.
- Rob La Gesse
@Robert - they are aren't so much struggling to like new media but desperately hoping the money will flow there since everything else is but they are entering a culture that is alien to them
- Xenophrenia
Social still hasn't figured out its Magic Bullet for revenue, but Scoble figured it out years ago: SEARCH!
- Stephen Pickering
Here's a link to the Borthwick news.net info: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010...
- John Taschek
Steve, Twitter has been in position to kill themselves since the beginning ;-) I have faith in those guys.
- LocoAds
Scoble speaks truth. Search and curation
- Karoli
NYT acquired 538..that was a smart move.
- Jim Posner
Some days its really hard to take Twitter seriously - particularly when the fail whale rears its head.
- Ankush Narula
Sorry - News.Me (auto correct "fixed it")
- John Taschek
538 has deteriorated since being acquired
- Karoli
Has, will Foursquare reach escape velocity?
- Stephen Pickering
I'm curious how these *expected* acquisitions will affect the syndication deals some of these independents have already put into place.
- Rob La Gesse
Stephen: unknown.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen the question is what will happen to 4sq when people get bored with badges and checkins?
- LocoAds
@Rob - I think that's the real question. Distribution and syndication issues can kill any acquisition strategy. Just think about how columnists are syndicated -- or even comic strips.
- John Taschek
LocoAds Good point
- Stephen Pickering
Amazon want to boss developers like they did with publishers... not gonna happen
- LocoAds
What do people think about Microsoft suing Moto over Android?
- John Taschek
I actually work in the acquisition space..technical integration..and it is a very interesting space and experience for the acquired companies..especially on the culture side.
- Jim Posner
unless Amazon comes up with their own Android tablet/ebook reader
- LocoAds
My battery is dying.
- Robert Scoble
:-)
- Robert Scoble
@Jim - I'd love to talk to you at some point. [email protected]
- John Taschek
@Robert -- did you time it to end with the show???
- John Taschek
John - yes - these things are going to be VERY complex. Will keep Lawyers engaged and employed for a long time - but certainly these independents will face some challenges maneuvering this space.
- Rob La Gesse
John-will do
- Jim Posner
@Jim - doesn't it often kill the acquired companies culture to some extent?
- Xenophrenia
Xeno - depends on how it is done - AMazon bought Zappos - that culture is probably stronger than ever.
- Rob La Gesse
Phil Wainewright talked about acquisitions, media, etc. in an interview I had with him a couple of weeks back: http://cloudblog.salesforce.com/2010...
- John Taschek
@Xenophrenia you have a point. TC understood the problems that the startups they were covering have, because they were a startup themselves
- LocoAds
@Rob - I think Zappos put their foot down before the deal was done didn't they?
- Xenophrenia
Battelle's piece on why Google won't/can't buy Twitter is good
- Stephen Pickering
well depends on whether they will operate as a whole owned subsidiary or fully integrated..sometimes you are more interested in acquiring a product/code than the culture..smart folk thrive in most cultures.
- Jim Posner
Leave the desktop - discover the enriched real world.
- Arnie Klaus
I think Amazon's culture has improved since they bought Zappos - so a great acquisition.
- John Taschek
Xeno - of course they did - they had a CEO, and a culture that meant more to them than money - and still does.
- Rob La Gesse
@John MSFT is suing people using Linux left and right. They sued Amazon for royalties on some Linux code, maybe that's what they want from MOTO?
- LocoAds
I need twitter for earthquakes and wild fires
- Arnie Klaus
@Arnie you're my man, man :)
- LocoAds
@LocoAds - so many lawsuits in the mobile space. Paul Allen is suing everyone but Microsoft in the meantime. It's a good time for lawyers!
- John Taschek
Hipmunk!
- Stephen Pickering
@John is there ever a bad time for lawyers? ;-) MSFT has some patents on Linux code and they are suing everone who makes money with Linux.
- LocoAds
Seriously, Doc speaks truth. Travel scheduling is amazingly screwed up.
- Karoli
MG is reporting that massive re-org at the top of Yahoo will happen on Tuesday - Yahoo is fun to watch ;)
- Kenny
Kayak and Hipmunk are both great tools for this. Travelocity, Orbitz, Expedia very web 1.0
- Kevin Marks
That's what Mike's working on, I assume?
- Stephen Pickering
It was brilliant that early on Microsoft early on actually sold and owned a Unix variant...Zenix I think.
- John Taschek
It is unfortunate that airlines are stuck in their 1990's mentality, and not in their 1970's mentality - which actually had a fucking culture, and was customer focused.
- Rob La Gesse
That's why I'm a Libertarian, because of what Doc just referred to
- Stephen Pickering
TV could improve their numbers so much if they gave TV schedules in RSS form for free
- LocoAds
I couldn't believe Barry Diller said he didn't think much of Twitter onstage
- Stephen Pickering
The fact that you need to pay license fees/royalties for access to tv schedules is ludicrous
- LocoAds
I like that idea Loco!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I guess that means Barry wants to buy Twitter!
- John Taschek
He told Arrington he wouldn't have it!
- Stephen Pickering
@John it was Xenix.
- LocoAds
When I type in Finance in Google it takes me to the Yahoo Finance on top
- Stephen Pickering
any industry that is built on control is going to resist a disrupting force - as the internet gains the ability to control is compromised
- Xenophrenia
Wikipedia is a search calibrator.
- Arnie Klaus
haha -
- Kenny
Hello, Robert!
- LocoAds
This episode had a lot more viewers then I've seen in recent weeks
- Kenny
peek-a-boo
- Xenophrenia
Kenny, your right
- Stephen Pickering
Rackers! Why didn't Arrington just move the site to Cloud Servers?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen - no comment.
- Rob La Gesse
:-)
- Stephen Pickering
bye! :)
- Karoli
ta-ta
- Xenophrenia
Heck, Rob, Arrington could have just hired you to end his tech headaches! heheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
bye!
- LocoAds
Bye bye all
- Stephen Pickering
Great show - thanks everyone.
- Rob La Gesse
Have a good weekend
- Kenny