Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific ht

So, what are we talking about on the Gang today? - Kevin Marks

@KevinMarks, I have something AS related that I'd like to show you next week. I think you'll appreciate it. Cliqset-related. - Darren

would definitely like to see AS/Webfinger/GProfiles/OpenID being discussed. - Jamie

I'm available for the Skype call. - Robert Scoble

Be sure to discuss Information cards if you discuss OpenID - Jesse Stay

What time is it? :) - Rob La Gesse

Rob: sorry for running a little late. We'll be starting shortly. Steve, I'm on Skype now. - Robert Scoble

4:30 - Jesse Stay

1 more minute... - Robert Scoble

Too late? Nah, nah - it's just earlay, earlay... - Jesse Stay

glad to see i'm not late. :) - Karoli

love that 27 in imac Robert - courtney benson

Mike Arrington is a state now? - Jesse Stay

the 51st state, Jesse :) - Roberto Bonini

My quad-core 27" iMac left China today! Can't wait - it arrives before Jason's baby ;) - Rob La Gesse

If ChromeOS was out today, I would have bought a machine with it, rather than a MacBook for my family. - Matt M (inactive)

Ha. - Darren

google knoll is now a big part of profiles and now with openid/webfinger google profile is a big item - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Vizard, Scoble, Marks & Calacanis on the Gillmor Gang: Live Now at http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

Looking forward to buying the Droid this weekend - courtney benson

It won't hit it for everyone until they have a decent online graphics and financial solution - Jesse Stay

knol uses google profiles, just as other google apps do - profiles are a service for google apps - Kevin Marks

They also need to come up with a way to integrate with client-side ID (information cards, selectors, etc) - Jesse Stay

Jesse: I see you saw the light at the Kynetx conf... (from cookies to selectors) - Cliff Gerrish

I think the launch Chrome netbooks will be free - Jamie

Cliff, my eyes have seriously been opened - I am a new man now. I see a whole new future from that conference - Jesse Stay

Although I'm still trying to understand it all. It's all still in progress as we speak. - Jesse Stay

What I think we need is <input type="openid"> for HTML5 so browsers can do clientside ID - Kevin Marks

Kevin, that would be awesome - Jesse Stay

how long ago did it start? - Christopher Harris

<input type="openid"> is the only way OpenID will succeed. It's not usable in its current state right now. - Matt M (inactive)

I don't want clientside, I want personal-cloud-side - Kurtiss Hare

Matt, agreed - Jesse Stay

Kurtiss, you need a combination of both - see http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

What people are wedded to is the development IDE - Nobody else has built anything near as compelling as Microsoft's IDE - Rob La Gesse

html5 on the iphone is because of webkit - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jesse: that's not "personal" cloud, at least the way I think about it. - Kurtiss Hare

that was WPF - Jamie

the seesmic for windows uses WPF - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Kurtiss what is "personal" cloud? - Jesse Stay

I still haven't installed Silverlight/WPF on any of my machines and I haven't missed any content on the web. - Matt M (inactive)

WPF and Silverlight are converging as front-ends... - Cliff Gerrish

I love the Netflix watch instantly -- it's silverlight... - Cliff Gerrish

silverlight is still a subset of wpf - Jamie

though the lines are blurring - Jamie

It's a cloud that you own, that exposes "local services" like storage, identity selector config, computation, etc. to services you don't own - Kurtiss Hare

Does this silverlight porting path just translate video, or the whole framework? If it's just video, it sounds like a WMV->MP4 codec. - Matt M (inactive)

I don't think stream of audio or video via silverlight to a webkit browser counts as a dev platform for iphone - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

has anyone got documentation on sliverlight video playback on iPhone? I didn't see that demo - Kevin Marks

Sharepoint 2010 supports silverlight - Jamie

+1 bear. - Matt M (inactive)

Kurtiss - where do you own it? On Amazon? Who hosts that data? If someone else is hosting it do you really own it? The client is the best place for the user to own their data. That can be supported by a cloud service, but your client needs to control it. - Jesse Stay

Kevin http://www.iis.net/iphone - Jamie

Jesse: that part's up to you, it can run from your house if you're into that. otherwise it can run from your amazon or rackspace account, whatever. - Kurtiss Hare

kevin: http://tech.yahoo.com/news... - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Kurtiss, the average user is never going to be able to do that. It has to be something native in the browser or the operating system for the user to get it. - Jesse Stay

@Kurtiss - your Rackspace account :) Please me more ;) - Rob La Gesse

lol - Kurtiss Hare

Also, a cloud-based service can't provide near the context a desktop client can - Jesse Stay

Internal enterprise apps are never a predictor of platforms that'll survive. I could list dozens of dead Microsoft products that were "hot" for a while until they were abandoned. - Matt M (inactive)

Jesse, for now, but when the broadband explosion comes.... - Stephen Pickering

Office for Web is .Net right? - Paul Shadwell

Stephen, even then you're never going to have full control so long as you rely on the cloud for full context. See my article above. - Jesse Stay

"turns out, microsoft developed the killer app for chrome os" - office web apps - Jamie

enterprise == large user count behind a firewall with a private network - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jesse: What's the difference between the way that Windows/Mac OS X exposes my local services and the way a "personal cloud"-based OS could? It's Chrome OS' destiny ;) - Kurtiss Hare

I've just finished installing SharePoint 2010 and now installing the Office Web Apps so I'll let you know shortly. - Paul Shadwell

Robert, make sure you get that enterprise lecture from Steve before going on about Chatter - Ross Mayfield

if chrome os enables a personal VPN experience that I can then allow individuals to "peek into" that would be a huge win - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Kurtiss, a personal cloud is never going to know what you're doing on Barnes and Noble vs. Borders.com at the same time. Please read my article above. - Jesse Stay

Paul: NO. Office for Web is ALL JavaScript. - Robert Scoble

"very loyal to office" == it's a huge pain and cost to translate all those proprietary docs to something else - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jesse, cloud based services can bring context using social web - bring context in form you contacts and activities - Kevin Marks

Kevin, only to an extent. You still need the client to control that process. - Jesse Stay

Kevin, Jesse's talking Action Cards. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert Office Web has Silverlight "extras" - Jamie

better fidelity, smoother zooming etc - Jamie

Kevin, I saw the demo but haven't the docs for it. Just passes the video off directly to the vid player on iPhone. Here is the demo URL http://www.iis.net/iphone - Jerry Schuman

Robert: Do you think they did that for increased cross browser support? - Paul Shadwell

many companies are just scared to move to the web It seems an insecure place to them and they take the IT guys (who get paid to manage Exchange) word for it. "You don't want to do that. It's insecure." Few CEOs outside our business will challenge talk like that. - Matt Terenzio

I truly love that indictment. LOL...it's only Obama, Congress has not a damn thing to do with it. - Karoli

I have multiple clients that draw on my twitter, Poco and other cloud contexts. phones, laptops desktops use them - Kevin Marks

yea, like obama has control over the senate and house or the huge military infrastructure that bush had 8 years to setup - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

BULLSHIT, Jason. - Karoli

Jason, agreed. Not that it's a viable sol'n. - Kurtiss Hare

Jasos is a die-hard libertarian. Love it. - Jerry Schuman

Karoli +1 - Ross Mayfield

obama set stem cell research free, that's crucial - Christopher Harris

My 20-year old innovating son thinks you're full of shit. His diabetes doesn't kill him. - Karoli

ok, adding politics to this discussion just ruined it and reminds me of the bad version of gilmor gang - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Standard of living has increased with population. Not saying there aren't challenges. - Matt Terenzio

Some companies can't innovate because they pay too much for health care - Ross Mayfield

Let's get back to tech please!!!!!!! - Peter Mullen

Ross +1 back to you. - Karoli

Microsoft won't stop innovating, but they'll be innovating in the wrong direction (closed platforms, etc.) - Matt M (inactive)

Jason sounds like Ehrlich's genocidal nonsense, not any Libertarians I know - Kevin Marks

when all the normal workers - not those that are like most silicon valley startup wonks - can stop worrying about where the money for the next health bill comes from, then they will be able to spend time making work more productive - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Tim O'Reilly talks about Microsoft being a major player in the open web... - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin, did you get the URL for the IIS demo? - Jerry Schuman

Microsoft innovates but it's not accessible to the murmuring rabble. Like me. at least, not yet (other than Silverlight) - Karoli

Microsoft is the greatest squandering of wealth in the History of business - Stephen Pickering

Microsoft is a leader in the Information card space, and they're doing some amazing stuff with .Net, etc - Jesse Stay

(note that I write this from a *nix-based MacBook Pro) - Jesse Stay

Jesse: see Craig Burton's rant on MSFT's implementation of cardspace. - Cliff Gerrish

Microsoft is the new Newspaper business - Matt Terenzio

Cliff, I'll look at that - Jesse Stay

There's not a company that Balmer wouldn't buy. Gates had to come in and not allow him to bid more than 42 billion for Yahoo - Stephen Pickering

How about Silverlight/Gestalt - running Ruby/Python in the browser. - Cliff Gerrish

ahem - Ross Mayfield

Gestalt is a dead end (I blogged here a while ago: http://grack.com/blog...) - Matt M (inactive)

and how is Salesforce managing this change in direction and focus... open source and open protocols I suspect - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Client wars have been going on for 2 decades.. it doesn't matter. You will have multiple native and web based clients from now until the cows come home. - Jerry Schuman

warlords of tech, each guarding their own fiefdom. - Karoli

The apathy of the user community regarding clients was evidenced by the failure of "Write Once, Run Everywhere" - Jerry Schuman

it all boils down to Tower Defense! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I think you just hit the nail on the head bear :-) - Paul Shadwell

Robert it already exists.. DOM manipulations - Jerry Schuman

Jerry: DOM Manipulations + Action Cards gets you there. - Cliff Gerrish

the major change comes with context awareness. We're almost there.. very close in my estimation. - Jerry Schuman

Jerry: Action Cards are all about contextual browsing. - Cliff Gerrish

There are no generic enclosures is what I think Dave meant - Matt Terenzio

meta data is data - it can be included with other meta data or consumed as is. what is key is removing the silo mentality -- open data api's to allow neutral use cases - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Twitter's 'features' have been a massive user #fail - Karoli

twitter has always been a feature to be included in other apps -- they *are* a pipe - Karoli

yes, they have rolled out a number of new features but they still have fundamental stability issues when followers drop off your account, when api calls still return random errors and other quality of life issues - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

btw: all those things you just mentioned extended Twitters discrete extensions of the backend. You're seeing twitter manipulate and compartmentalize their schema - Jerry Schuman

bear, not only that, but they're anti-community. by sending that message, they tell me they intend to be a pipe for my data, not a host. - Karoli

i've become so accustomed to their slowness of innovation, i certainly don't take the recently developed features for granted like I did when G or FF innovates...sad, really. - Kurtiss Hare

still looking for those 'features'. closing conversations, making retweets a metric, and adding lists...? - Karoli

While I might agree with ppl discounted MS I think discounting Ray Ozzie is a HUGE mistake. Especially if Ballmer gets forced out of MS. - Rob La Gesse

it's all DATA SOUP. Apple had it right with the Newton ;-) - Jerry Schuman

Authoritative ecosystems of record will still rule the day. - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff +1 - Karoli

tweetie iphone is stil the best way to access - Jamie

:) The Newton rocks! (still) - Rob La Gesse

Gah Jerry - Newton Soup was the worlds slowest data model. Nice idea, lousy implementation. - Kevin Marks

my commodore 64 is still in the garage... - Karoli

Kevin, blame the processor ;-) - Jerry Schuman

my C64 is right next to my pc and the mac :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Great show guys! Like Mike, I like the Pre - Peter Mullen

bye...good show even with the politics. :) - Karoli

Thanks, sorry @Ross for not mentioning SocialText. - Robert Scoble

short show :-( - Jamie

We should do an enterprise shootout between all these new social enterprise systems - Robert Scoble

Jamie: gotta make Turkey! :-) - Robert Scoble

ah we dont have thanksgiving here - Jamie

don't mind shorter shows if they are focused. except for the "into the ditch" diversion of the political discussion this was a nice tightly focused show - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I love SocialText, when I use it :-) - Jesse Stay

I do. - Aron Michalski

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