GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT

Here early today - Keith Teare

Keith - we are going to start ten minutes late. Go grab a coffee - Tina Chase Gillmor

OK - Keith Teare

Keith - How well versed are you about Pay TV? - Chien-Yu Lin

I'm here now. Thanks for waiting! - Robert Scoble

ok - Tina Chase Gillmor

Pretty well - Keith Teare

BBC like GG testcard up. Beeb end of programming, GG start of. - clive boulton

Keith - Would you mind if I reached out to you on Facebook after "Gillmor Gang" and asked you a few questions about it? - Chien-Yu Lin

Je suis arrivee - Ian Waring

I am ready :-) here it's red wine time, friday evening in Germany - Ludwig Ederle

Amazon Mayday Assist ad on the telly - agent confirms addiction to Candy Crush Saga - Ian Waring

Diet Coke served - Ian Waring

Still waiting for the famous call. What will we talk about? Meat eating plants are on my mind. :-) - Robert Scoble

Kevin??? - Tina Chase Gillmor

how about pinkeye? - Ludwig Ederle

Liquid Metal just bounced up 48% - published use for medical bits, not Apple this time - Ian Waring

or the police choir, apparently edited out by nbc? - Ludwig Ederle

Get your beverages ready!!! MIA Kevin Marks. please report to you station - Tina Chase Gillmor

Anyone taking odds on an iPhone with Sapphire front, Liquid Metal Chassis? Or iWatch... - Ian Waring

Good repost to Microsoft Strategy from one of the Bens (cant recall Bajarin or Thompson) - Ian Waring

Microsoft bloke called Frank berated for not understanding the fallacy of being both a devices and services company - Ian Waring

Chien - sure. But not today. Its Valentines day and I have a date with my wife after this :-) - Keith Teare

Didn't realise we were on today. I'm in the street in Los Gatos. - Kevin Marks

Thompson, Ian...this one? http://stratechery.com/2014... - Tom Guarriello

Galaxy S5 with subdued Touchwiz - Da

Depeche Gang! - clive boulton

Uh, oh...alien ship landed on on GG!! - Tom Guarriello

that's one cool sound, new theme song? - Ludwig Ederle

Anyone hear something? :) - Kevin Bryan

3,2,1 - Robert Scoble

http://stratechery.com/2014... - Ian Waring

@Tom Guarriello LOL - Kevin Bryan

I thought it was just me. :-) - Darius Dunlap

Keith - Thanks. Will reach out Monday, Tuesday. Have a great show. - Chien-Yu Lin

Who's in Barcelona? - Ludwig Ederle

Thunderbirds are go... - Ian Waring

Awesome sound effect today! - Simon Benvenutto

The usual technical problems. Please stand by. - Robert Scoble

Kids in Kevin Marks Yard? - Ian Waring

Kevin, your image is jumpy. - Simon Benvenutto

Sounds good - Tom Guarriello

Sound good - clive boulton

Yes - Ian Waring

Sound good now was crazy feedback earlier - Matthew Voshell

Chromecast is about to add a ton of new apps. - Murray Macdonald

Forget it Robert, it's iBeacon. Already branded - Tom Guarriello

Comcast vs the Open Internet - gotta be good, they have Google Fibre to compete with - Ian Waring

iBeacon suggests a specific BLE advertising packet format. - Murray Macdonald

it's an emitter - Jerome Hughes

Chromecast supposed to come out March 1st in the UK - a few weeks ahead of Apple with their stuff - Ian Waring

Jerome: and a receiver. - Robert Scoble

Hello everyone. - Nir Ben Yona

My image is jumpy because it is hand held phone - Kevin Marks

ChromeOS found to have a secret virtual keyboard - ChromeOS tablets anyone? - Ian Waring

Nokia go Android? - Ian Waring

is there also a receiver in the LE hardware beacons like those you showed, Robert? - Jerome Hughes

Keith needs to get centered on screen - Tina Chase Gillmor

no receiver, just sending a number - Ludwig Ederle

Beacons are typically transmit only sending out what is called an advertising packet. They do include a receiver that gets used to reprogram them, but that is very rarely used. Typical operation is transmit only. - Murray Macdonald

@Jerome: no receiver in the Estimotes, the receiver is in your Phone. - Robert Scoble

Better Keith - Ian Waring

Keith's point 1 to 1 marketing. Ushers in Akka messaging and Dart lang. - clive boulton

NBC-Comcast - Chien-Yu Lin

The Estimotes do have a mesh network and two sensors: accelerometer and temperature. - Robert Scoble

Comcast buying Time Warner. Nokia go Android? - Ian Waring

that was my understanding, the receiver on the mobile depending on its network to correlate the beacon's identifier with data used by the mobile app - Jerome Hughes

So, Estimotes can receive data from your phone too. - Robert Scoble

There is a receiver in the estimote. It is used when connecting to the temperature sensor or reprogramming the beacon ID. Basic beacon advertising doesn't use it. - Murray Macdonald

Captive Audience is a great read. - Ian Waring

Hardware disposals gathering steam. IBM, Sony...(wrong strategy) http://www.ft.com/intl... - clive boulton

Suicide unless content disaggregated from wires - Ian Waring

FCC are dumb: NBC agreement has an end date on promised Net Neutrality - Ian Waring

Comcast X1, best of a bad ecosystem - Tom Guarriello

Why would any Net Neutrality concession have an end date? - Ian Waring

Chromecast has opened its APIs to developers. New apps coming any day... - Murray Macdonald

But Comcast will start imposing bandwidth limits unless its for their own content - which will stay uncapped - Ian Waring

The lack of net neutrality is the problem. It should be illegal to downgrade service to specific streams. - Murray Macdonald

Input shifting is a PITA for most humans - Tom Guarriello

Allowing vertical integration is suicide. It's playing out in front of you... - Ian Waring

Chrome OS can now run Windows. Microsoft letting Windows run Android apps. Do both at once, you enter the matrix. https://twitter.com/levie... - clive boulton

Two suggested topics for later in show. 1) Tom Perkins latest comments about how citizens who don't pay taxes should not be allowed to vote (& $1 in tax = 1 vote idea) and larger Tim Armstrong/Tom Perkins/Etc. tech leaders saying outrageous things 2) on-going efforts like Code.org, CSNYC, Girls Who Code, gaining stream on teaching kids to code & computational thinking (and maybe back story of Britain announcement - http://pando.com/2014...) - Rob Underwood

Chromecast allows apps, not just shows. XBMC is also cool. - Murray Macdonald

What will happen: Comcast cap you low, but don't count their content in the cap... who wins? - Ian Waring

Microsoft are quiet - Ian Waring

MS needs to go Andoird. They could make a great branch. - Murray Macdonald

6-pack of Rolexes get the votes. - clive boulton

http://stratechery.com/2014... - Ian Waring

Rob: I doubt we would talk about Tom Perkins. He sure is coming off as a jerk, out of touch rich guy. - Robert Scoble

MS had one exec last week saying that Office is a Windows play... - Ian Waring

Amazon's Android is more a lurk than a branch - clive boulton

Code.org et al are awesome. - Robert Scoble

Apple copies what Google has been successful at. Maps for example. - Murray Macdonald

It gets Microsoft into lower cost handsets that Windows Phone can limbo down to - Ian Waring

s/that/than - Ian Waring

Wow, Dan's video is just perfect. Looks like he's sitting next to me. - Jerry Schuman

More than anything MS supporting android apps gets MS users access to hundreds of thousands of Android apps. - Murray Macdonald

Azure already has DevRel to recruit Android devs - clive boulton

http://stratechery.com/2014... - Ian Waring

Yes Dan is looking crystal clear/ Beautiful - Tina Chase Gillmor

Just got my Qualcomm Gimbal beacons yesterday... - Jerry Schuman

You don't have to attract the devs if you can support Android apps. - Murray Macdonald

Frank Shaw's reply was a nice try - Tom Guarriello

On the Server side, all public clouds are Linux based - Ian Waring

Murray: Apple copies everything that's successful and then TOTALLY IMPROVES IT. - Robert Scoble

It doesn't matter what you carry, it matters what you're paid to support. Most developers can't afford to develop for Windows Phone. The market is too small. - Murray Macdonald

Murray: sorry, that's both right and wrong. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Agreed, except for maps. - Murray Macdonald

hear hear! Robert -- Ballmer was too tight to seed the MS dev community with phones - clive boulton

I wish I'd gotten a Windows 8 tablet instead of a laptop - Da

Working on my business's taxes today and taken by how much we spent on iTunes Store in 2013. It's like invisible spending. - Tom Guarriello

Gates and Nadella spent a day trying to install 8.1 - and gave up apparently - Ian Waring

Sure... Linux developers do things for love, but KDE doesn't affect the world. At the end of the day you need to access a population of customers. - Murray Macdonald

As soon as a blue collar person puts a tune on their tablet, they treat the tablet as if it was their own - Ian Waring

Robert for MS Vice Chairman - clive boulton

That's why MS needs to support Android. - Murray Macdonald

MS need to kill Scroogle, kill the Android patent games, and undo all their network of "trip our competitors up" govt facing shill companies - Ian Waring

or maybe just ignorant to what's available elsewhere - Jerome Hughes

Re Code.org ... Robert S - I've got multiple e-mails from kids' parents all over Brooklyn who did "Hour of Code" or similar about how it got their kids into coding. Example: "B--- was so excited about the hour of code today that she came home and did it again this evening. She loved it!" It's making kids excited. So fun to see. - Rob Underwood

Keith is wrong about iTunes and Google play - Kevin Marks

Jerome: ignorance is cool. Makes billions. But those ignorant people won't use apps anyway. - Robert Scoble

Windows phones don't even really have notifications. They're too far behind. - Murray Macdonald

Rob: I agree. Hour of Code rocks. - Robert Scoble

The only people that care about Windows phone development are those that are currently being spiffed by Microsloth to do it. - Jerry Schuman

Re Hackathons, in NYC at least ... Microsoft is dead. - Rob Underwood

it is a mobile world. if you cant take it with you you are a loser - Tina Chase Gillmor

Jerry: even those people don't really care. They only do the minimum to support their contracts. - Robert Scoble

Hour of Code is great. Both my kids loved it. - Murray Macdonald

Did Microsoft not want to go to the app party - or were they not cool enough to be invited? - Chien-Yu Lin

I agree.... care was a poor choice of words. - Jerry Schuman

Chien-Yu too late to be cool. - Robert Scoble

looks like Kevin is up against the wall again - Charlie Isaacs

Remember most mobile debs came from the desktop. MS devs have moved to more interesting platforms, partly because MS desktop strategy fell apart (Silverlight, HTML, etc). - Simon Benvenutto

I've switched to google music myself because I can stream my library without it taking up space on my phone; it's a much simpler interface iTunes is really bloated - Matthew Voshell

If MS made an Android branch with built in Office it would be cool for professionals. - Murray Macdonald

As Robert S alluded to ... Developers are developing to what they have in their pockets and in their bags -- Android, iOS, Linux, OSX. And that's what people are developing on at hackathons. It's not uncommon to go to a hackathon and not see a single Microsoft device. - Rob Underwood

"Gates and Nadella spent a day trying to install 8.1" +Ian unfortunately I think that came from one of those satire sites, it would have been cool :) - Charlie Isaacs

For music, iTunes is yesterdays news. - Johannes Siemers

Robert - Does MS have a developer-facing team specifically to recruit / retain / answer developer needs - and then disseminate message to rest of MS? - Chien-Yu Lin

New Yorker was the source of the Gates/Nadella Win 8.1 story - Ian Waring

Chien-Yu. Yes. It is incompetent. - Robert Scoble

http://www.newyorker.com/online... - Ian Waring

Microsoft is about as cool as going to a warehouse rave party and putting on Phish (and have to be 50+ Phish shows). MS is just not cool at all. And we can have the debate about cool vs. revenue but if developers aren't into their languages and environment, it's a decline. - Rob Underwood

yes, iTunes is so yesterday, I'm going back to the sound quality I found on my Victrola - Charlie Isaacs

iTunes revenue: $10 billion in 2013 https://www.apple.com/pr... - Tom Guarriello

Keep an eye on Bittorrent Sync when it comes to keeping stuff sync'd like music and photos... best part... no third party servers - Jerry Schuman

http://www.musicweek.com/news... - Johannes Siemers

If any of you folks were Nadella right now, what would you do 1st? - Ian Waring

a) fidelity b) supporting the artist - Jerome Hughes

MS development can now be done natively in JavaScript. - Murray Macdonald

because services can take them away again - Ian Waring

Robert - Bad at what they do? Lip-service? Lack of commitment from rest of company? Other? - Chien-Yu Lin

@robert support artist with real money? Spotify has shafted the artists; thought beats music apparently does a better job which is why there's a ton of music on it - Matthew Voshell

Why own music? Because your favorite music disappears all the time, often without you being told. - Kevin Bryan

Matthew is right. Streaming services are shafting artists. - Murray Macdonald

because labels withdraw tracks!!!! - Ian Waring

As far as buying songs: 'Always streaming' means 'Always paying'. Sometimes, people want to stop paying. - Kevin Bryan

Mathew: that isn't a problem for me. That's a problem for the musician and I know several and several are still making millions of dollars in the music business. - Robert Scoble

Roberts notion of developers building for love, money follows later. I liked that. - clive boulton

@Ian Waring You're dead right about that. Songs disappear from my playlists all the time and I don't get any notification of the disappearance. I don't like my music to go all 1984 on me. - Kevin Bryan

Most people listen to their high-school favorites for the rest of their life. Only a small percentage of consumers keep looking for new music past the age of 25. - Murray Macdonald

Buy music and the artists are still getting screwed. The industry is a corrupt quagmire hell bent against artists. - Jerry Schuman

There's a bit of a retro thing going on here, my daughter lusts for vinyl and a deck, with proprt record covers signed by indie artists :) - Simon Benvenutto

I do own music for the off-line use case of riding the subway, but to Robert's point I could just cache spotify and not buy. I also buy because I like early 60's jazz some of which can be hard to find on spotify, etc. - Rob Underwood

often buy directly from the artist - Jerome Hughes

Google Music works great for me - Da

Keep in mind there are also many countries in which such services are not available. Most licenses are country specific. - Murray Macdonald

I pay for Google Play Music All Access and look at Spotify, and no service I see has more than 50% of the music I listen to. I have to upload to Google Play Music to supplement the rest. - Kevin Bryan

@robert sure some artists are the bigger ones but smaller ones get shafted;'granted yes it isn't your issue haha but you miss out on amazing music like the Beatles and pink Floyd which was very late on joining - Matthew Voshell

also De La Soul Is Giving Away All of Its Music for Free today - Da

Youtube is the ultimate music service. Search for Yesterday on youtube and see how easy it is. Why pay for anything? - Murray Macdonald

On the retro thing -- Camlistore.org and the PC? http://imgur.com/a/NKje7 - clive boulton

Robert Scoble may get kicked off the show for now knowing his Beatles songs. :) - Kevin Bryan

the dj that poisoned my mind was wolfman jack, or maybe it was dr. demento - Charlie Isaacs

now=not - Kevin Bryan

Yesterday = https://www.youtube.com/watch... - Murray Macdonald

Music streaming also means a decent chance of skipping/stuttering if the data connection goes bad for some reason. The best streaming can do is to get to 100% of local music. Mostly it works out, but when it doesn't... - Kevin Bryan

Yeah, just checked bop.fm... they have a few covers but not the real song. - Sam Harrelson

back in my day we used a 300 baud modem connected to the phone handset on the airplane, what are you guys complaining about :) - Charlie Isaacs

Sam: not true. What song you talking about? - Robert Scoble

isn't this all about moving away from owning to borrowing. different economies - Tina Chase Gillmor

Permanence of music and books and texts are going to be a niche but very profitable industry in the coming years. Nothing like Amazon wiping your copy of 1984 from your Kindle... - Sam Harrelson

I tested bop.fm with Art Blakey (a favorite) -- it's there. I just shared with Robert S. Interesting. - Rob Underwood

Robert: camlistore.org developer love blooming...http://imgur.com/a/NKje7 - clive boulton

Robert: "why don't we do it in the road" Cool Phish cover but that's about it. - Sam Harrelson

"Music has become fast food" - is someone being nostalgic? ;) - Julie Albright

IBM/Open Source/Sell Services on Open Sours is similar to Grateful Deal/Phish/Free Taping of Shows/Make money from concerts and merchandising. - Rob Underwood

@keith, what's the guitar behind you? - Matthew Voshell

Happy Valentine's Day everyone :) - Charlie Isaacs

Steve is wrong - Tina Chase Gillmor

I love EDM. The beatles don't scratch that itch. Deadmau5 and Skrillex - Murray Macdonald

Murray: me too! - Robert Scoble

Have some music http://soundcloud.com/the-mar... - Kevin Marks

oof - Jerome Hughes

off air - Jerry Schuman

uh oh - Tom Guarriello

Gone - Ian Waring

The feed just died. - Murray Macdonald

Distillation of Steve's music argument: I'm not saying get off my lawn, but get off my lawn. Also, the video is gone. - Kevin Bryan

Didn't pay our monthly subscription - Sam Harrelson

back - Tom Guarriello

you're back - Jerry Schuman

back - Ian Waring

The record companies dropped our link - Charlie Isaacs

back now - Jerome Hughes

Back on air. - Kevin Bryan

You are back on the air - Charlie Isaacs

you're bak - Tom Guarriello

The difference is - analogue versus digital - digital sound is smoothed out / auto - tuned etc - and that *is* a real difference between the "Old School" music Steve's talking about. But I don't think you can make a sweeping statement that the music was "better." - Julie Albright

It's back - Murray Macdonald

@Charlie Isaacs LOL - Kevin Bryan

For lots of reasons, but music first and foremost, Steve needs to come visit Brooklyn and check out same of the bands. - Rob Underwood

You are back up - Charlie Isaacs

Died - but back on the air now for me - Darius Dunlap

Steve uttered "Hate The Beatles" and the stream dropped ;-) - Jerry Schuman

feed died after "hate the beatles" - Charles Carrico

Soundcloud Beattles https://soundcloud.com/search... - clive boulton

its up - Simon Benvenutto

borrow economy - Tina Chase Gillmor

share, whatever - Tina Chase Gillmor

There is a general movement from an "ownership" economy toward more of a "usage" economy - except when it comes to P&L statements that view leases and loans as liabilities that cannot be depreciated ... - Chien-Yu Lin

I hate the beatles, because I prefer the musicians that influenced them - Charles Carrico

Robert S point is key here -- end of ownership. - Rob Underwood

I want 10 versions of a song. I like rare versions. Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch... - Murray Macdonald

The lack of substantial modern music is a real cultural phenomenon. It's like what happened when jazz petered out - Tom Guarriello

Younger people care about experiences not ownership. - Rob Underwood

I like owning real books. - Murray Macdonald

is it more democratic? - Tina Chase Gillmor

because service companies routinely take things away - Ian Waring

A cool recent trip to Vietnam is cooler than owning a BMW. Fundamental change from a generation ago. - Rob Underwood

I love and appreciate and use music streaming, but it's not either/or for buying. Honestly, everyone has some favorite tracks they listen to a million times over. People will buy that. - Kevin Bryan

Not bogus. - Rob Underwood

It's a new form of renting, not ownership. - Murray Macdonald

Someone had seen a kid's mobile device and they were talking about music… The older guy said "What albums are you going to put on there?" And the kid said "Albums?" and gave him a weird look. - Julie Albright

It's ownership of experiences - past, present, and future. Potential experiences = options. - Rob Underwood

Kevin: you can listen to your favorite tracks over and over again on streaming services. You can even load them on your phone so you can do that when not connected. - Robert Scoble

... until the record label revokes access - Ian Waring

End of ownership is the end of assets and the loss of appreciation of value. In a rentier world there's no wealth accumulation. - Todd Hoff

Read "Your Brain on Music." It touches on this. - Murray Macdonald

@Ian Waring That's happened to me more times than I'd like to remember. I buy because streaming services pulls the rug out from under me all the time. - Kevin Bryan

Love Miles. :) - Julie Albright

Led Zep won best rock album at the last Grammy's, and McCartney was on the winning rock song. What does that say about modern rock? - Charlie Isaacs

Music != Rock (only). - Rob Underwood

Lots of people who sucked who nobody remembers anymore. And then there are the "Guilty Pleasures"... horrible, stupid music that we like because of associated memories (and other stuff) - Darius Dunlap

MP3 sound terrible. Most modern microphones suck. - Murray Macdonald

No, Robert. Punctuation points exist in culture. Why doesn't anyone write symphonies anymore? The genre was exhausted. Jazz, too. - Tom Guarriello

Tom: good point! - Robert Scoble

is "rap" music? +Rob :) - Charlie Isaacs

Murray: totally disagree. - Robert Scoble

Folks want to control their own pictures, music, docs. Set their own shares (not transfer to ad-tech). - clive boulton

Charlie: yes. And I love a lot of it. - Robert Scoble

He also agrees that when you go o high enough sample rates and bit depth, digital is great. - Darius Dunlap

it's like the am radio in the '60s dashboard - Jerome Hughes

2 problems with current recordings: over-used audio compression, and low-bit-rate digitization. - Darius Dunlap

My point is we're basing our discussion only rock of the 60s vs. rock now is not the right way to look at music as a whole. One could also argue that rock is largely dead now compared with the 60s (I'd disagree, but some make that point). - Rob Underwood

Craft vs. Production - Chien-Yu Lin

Neil Young's hearing isn't what it was - Kevin Marks

You can buy 2" tape machines everywhere. http://www.ebay.com/itm... - Murray Macdonald

LoL - I think even Neil would agree. - Darius Dunlap

Steve wants a return to the 8 track player ;) - Julie Albright

Symphonic g - Kevin Marks

3 3/8 ips - Jerome Hughes

Analog tape compresses nicely with warm distortion, but tape hiss and bandwidth remains downsides. I still have my tascam 16 track. It's not worth selling. - Murray Macdonald

Symphony genre is now film music - Kevin Marks

Kevin: good point. - Robert Scoble

Kevin: or Olympic Game Openers. - Robert Scoble

Truly good music does not age. - Alex de Soto

the studio cats have forgotten that we are doing a show - Tina Chase Gillmor

soundcloud.com has it dialed in - clive boulton

To Steve's point .. in the 60's people "branded" themselves as Stones or Beatles. Now they brand themselves as iPhone or Android. - Rob Underwood

things flipped. - Rob Underwood

some of us catch them playing live and want that same fidelity at home - Jerome Hughes

This is not true any more - Kevin Marks

Yes, Kevin, but the symphonic format is no longer vibrant. We still listen to it because we learned to love it in the 20th century. Ask a 20 year old to hum Brahms... - Tom Guarriello

The main argument for analog in the studio is the fluency of the session. You don't need to stare at a screen and use a mouse. Analog is great for beds, digital is great for overdubs. - Murray Macdonald

+Robert: I don't like (and I didn't let my kids listen to) rap music that talks about killing cops or mistreating women. Otherwise, I tolerate rap if it shows some talent or skill. Singing or musical instruments during the "song" are definitely a plus. :) - Charlie Isaacs

Most live shows have terrible sound. - Darius Dunlap

That's it, Steve. Emotional connections take place in youth - Tom Guarriello

The exceptions are amazing, though - Darius Dunlap

Charlie -- there is all sorts of Rap that is not about "killing cops or mistreating women." There is a lot of political rap that talks about real, tough issues in real, tough language. - Rob Underwood

Yep - with me, 10cc, ELO... - Ian Waring

+10, Keith - Tom Guarriello

my first piece of vinyl.. Black Sabbath, Master of Reality when I was 11 years old. - Jerry Schuman

#1 consumer of rap music by the way is white suburban boys. - Julie Albright

Tom: 20 year olds may be able to hum Brahm's lullaby and won't know it's Brahm's. - Alex de Soto

Right, Alex. - Tom Guarriello

With music, it's like we've entered an "Age of Context" - Rob Underwood

Classical music still popular in Games. WoW sponsors symphony. - clive boulton

New symphonies, Clive? - Tom Guarriello

Ya- you can't beat the Ride of the Valkyries ;) - Julie Albright

The beatles were a media phenomenon. - Murray Macdonald

And Harrison - Ian Waring

I disagree ton, lots of teenage classical musicians in my neighborhood - Kevin Marks

Can't believe George Harrison just got skipped. - Rob Underwood

Keith ... and Nico wasn't too harsh on the eyes. - Chien-Yu Lin

yes. WoW sponsored symphony, lifted what they need for the game - clive boulton

Everyone watched a limited number of TV channels.. So more common "culture" back in the Beatles day…That's not the case now. - Julie Albright

listen to Wilson Pickett's "Hey Jude" - it makes the beatles sound flat - Charles Carrico

The beatles released lots of great songs, but some crap too. Not all their songs were great. - Murray Macdonald

That's like the 1%, Kevin. - Tom Guarriello

@Julie Albright That's exactly right. When there's three channels, it's possible to affect everyone. Now, not so much. - Kevin Bryan

Kevin ++ - Murray Macdonald

Julie: totally agreed. - Robert Scoble

ummm... there is a massive cultural shift happening in all sorts of ways right now, no less than the 60s. - Rob Underwood

There is actually a massive movement back to folk and acoustic music. - Jerry Schuman

I like somafm.com - Murray Macdonald

I cannot wait until they play Muzak versions of Public Enemy in the retirement homes. - Chien-Yu Lin

Exactly. That's why there won't be a Beatles in this context. Music has become spectacle. - Julie Albright

And the catalog of accessible recorded music is millions of times bigger than what it was when I was growing up in the 60s - Tom Guarriello

Robert is right. - Murray Macdonald

Classical music always was - Kevin Marks

++ on pussy riot - Rob Underwood

cultural change going on all over the world, including in this country. - Rob Underwood

Very cool and on-topic to talk about iheartradio on Valentine's Day - Charlie Isaacs

ZDnet reporting that Office close to release on the iPad - Ian Waring

BLAND TIMES? Pot just got legalized in two states and a whole bunch of states have made gay marriage legal? - Rob Underwood

Codename Mirimar? - Ian Waring

That's total BS. Tell a rapper. They express themselves all day long. - Murray Macdonald

They already do Chien Lu - I heard the Clash "lost in the supermarket" in the grocery store - Kevin Marks

drone delivery ftw! - Da

Sorry, but a bunch of old guys commenting on youth culture is really funny. - Darius Dunlap

There is great music out there, but great music doesn't matter as much to young people, and it never will again. There's other forms of entertainment that fills people's time. - Kevin Bryan

70s, Robert - Jerome Hughes

The Beatles transcended music. They were more. There was an incredible emotional component, political expression, etc. Most bands can't reach that. because it's more than music - Tina Chase Gillmor

There are massive cultural trends and dynamics happening domestically in the US and all over the world. Not bland at all. - Rob Underwood

WoW Medley - UM Gamer Symphony Orchestra https://www.youtube.com/watch... - clive boulton

Was Occupy "bland"? - Rob Underwood

Show name: "A Bad Rap? I Heart Music" - Charlie Isaacs

Thanks, Clive. - Tom Guarriello

Adele is HARDLY "bland." Neither is Lorde - Robert Scoble

but there is pleanty of good music now - Tina Chase Gillmor

plenty - Tina Chase Gillmor

Kevin Marks ... "mosh pit clean-up on aisle 3" - Chien-Yu Lin

Or dozens of other modern artists. - Robert Scoble

For music, it's not young vs. old. It's "Music and nothing else to fill my time" vs. "Music & Video & Apps & Internet & TV & etc." - Kevin Bryan

Well. Not all music is political. The 60s were very political - times of great social upheaval - it made sense within the context then. But- look at the Macklemore song- very political. So- there's still that thread. (Song: Same Love) - Julie Albright

Rob - bland times are times when fighting becomes un-necessary - Keith Teare

At sufficiently high sample-rate and bit-depth - Darius Dunlap

++ Robert. ++ Tina. Not bland times, lots of good music. And that takes nothing away from the 60s and it's music. - Rob Underwood

The only way to listen to Dark side of the Moon is in a candle lit room with a hooka and a damn good vinyl turntable - Jerry Schuman

Julie: exactly. - Robert Scoble

Rob: right!!!!! - Robert Scoble

Yes. Excellent point about the legal lock-up. - Darius Dunlap

Fighting for rights creates extreme forms of expression that represent emotional breakthroughs... - Keith Teare

Analog has warm distortion and compresses differently than digital. Keep in mind that most songs these days come from digital sources, not microphones. - Murray Macdonald

Will the young continue to drive music in the age of the long tail? Maybe in dance and live concerts but in recordings? - Alex de Soto

back in my day music was subjective - Charlie Isaacs

Alex: yes. Most songs on Spotify have NEVER BEEN PLAYED! - Robert Scoble

+1 Charlie - Darius Dunlap

FUnny thing was that Enders Analysis (Clare Enders ex Strategy Dir of Thorn EMI Music) said that only the top 5 acts at each label lost money with Napster - everyone else in the industry gained - Ian Waring

Jerry +1 - Keith Teare

Sampling and mix-ups are phonocopy violations. - Murray Macdonald

Boy if folks don't think we're living in political non-bland times, I don't know what news they are watching. Look at what people are saying on-line about Tom Perkins. All the stuff with the Google buses. Economic justice. Income disparities. Pot legalization. Gay marriage. Big stuff is happening in our culture and world. - Rob Underwood

I just saw Neil Young's bass player two nights ago.. in Laguna. Stevie Nick's guitarist. And the Rolling Stones percussionist. They were amazing musicians. Some new artists in fact don't write music. They're entertainers - more than musicians. For our visual culture era. - Julie Albright

Rob - agreed but there are no political movements. Its all post-modern individualism - Keith Teare

Tina Turner never wrote her own music... - Murray Macdonald

all of my favorite artists play their music on snapchat - Charlie Isaacs

Pink Floyd were surpassed as hell when they were suddenly "a mass audience". - Darius Dunlap

Occupy and the Tea Party are political movements changing US domestic politics -- how we frame and discuss issues in particular. Either has the potential to be no less impactful in long term to Vietnam anti-war movement. - Rob Underwood

True Rob- but Google buses don't rise to the level of Civil Rights, Women's Rights, for example. Income disparities excluded. - Julie Albright

There's some excellent covers of copyright protected music. Open source sort of. - clive boulton

Julie - we're not in 1969. We're in 1965. - Rob Underwood

Deadmau5 streams live video on Ustream from his recording studio while he's writing and producing his music. He even sells the service. - Murray Macdonald

Are we now? :) - Julie Albright

check out Adrian Holovaty's http://soundslice.com - Jerome Hughes

@Charlie Isaacs )): - clive boulton

Time to wrap up. I'll go away now and listen to "My Funny Valentine" with Clifford Brown and Max Roach... Happy Valentimes! - Alex de Soto

I believe Occupy, Tea Party, Income Disparity, Gay Rights, etc. have potential to be viewed in 100 years as no less a transformation as the 60s big issue of civil rights and anti-war movement. - Rob Underwood

Awe… Happy Valentine's Day! - Julie Albright

http://play.google.com/music... try that for Floyd - Kevin Marks

It's not about sample rate. The difference is distortion. Analog distorts warm, while digital distorts like knives in the face. - Murray Macdonald

I guess we won't be seeing Tina and Steve at Coachella ;-) - Jerry Schuman

Also in the mix is crappy Digital-to-Analog converters. - Darius Dunlap

Ha.. Jerry :) - Julie Albright

Roberts Glass 2 sits better than 1 - clive boulton

Jerry: at least they won't be at the EDM tent. :-) - Robert Scoble

Most young kids in the 60s had lousy turntables. - Murray Macdonald

anybody that can hear the difference between analog and 300 didn't attend rock concerts in the 70's - they must have hearing left - Charlie Isaacs

High end sampling is typically 192Khz. - Murray Macdonald

Charlie: I went to the Who in the 70s and still can hear the difference but it is VERY small. - Robert Scoble

http://www.uaudio.com/store... - Keith Teare

Were you 3 Scoble? Ha.. - Julie Albright

Charlie: and to hear it you need to have great speakers, amps, cables, and all that. - Robert Scoble

the fairchild limiter: http://www.uaudio.com/store... - Charlie Isaacs

Neve and Focusrite for the win. It's all about the tyroidal transformers. - Murray Macdonald

you beat me +keith :) - Charlie Isaacs

Charlie: at CES I listened to a $170,000 system and it was mind blowing even with 44.1khz music. - Robert Scoble

very cool +robert - Charlie Isaacs

Julie: I was born in 1965. Scored a bag of weed for buying a ton of seniors tickets to the Who (sold out in 18 minutes). - Robert Scoble

Ha.. wow.. - Julie Albright

Overtones were never appreciated by the Undertones. - clive boulton

haha +clive - Charlie Isaacs

recently upgraded amps between same late '70s turntable/cartridge and speakers to 20yo NADs, the contours of known vinyl recordings are completely different - some well mastered lossless rips are also transformed, lesser ones not at all so much - Jerome Hughes

I spent my youth on Sunset Strip... trust me when I say my hearing sucks. - Jerry Schuman

Nyquist theory says divide the sample rate by two to get the bandwidth. 44.1 sample rate provides 22.05 KHz of bandwidth which is enough for most listeners. Bit depth is more of an issue. - Murray Macdonald

Yes. ++1 Murray - Darius Dunlap

Simplistically, you can think of bit-depth as detail. - Darius Dunlap

here's another pic of the fairchild limiter :) http://wallpoper.com/images... ok, maybe not - Charlie Isaacs

Gabba-Gabba-Hey - Jerry Schuman

Yet I love the crunch of 9-bit devices like the Oberheim DMX. - Murray Macdonald

haha "what's wrong with a cloud guy" :) - Charlie Isaacs

So it's Ballmer+1 then - Ian Waring

I missed NAMM this year, but reports are that there is amazing stuff. Including some awesome outboard gear for iOS devices. - Darius Dunlap

Check you mail Robert, a new Lefsetz just arrived - Jerry Schuman

Check out the pianist yuja wang - dan farber

We like integrated devices :) - Julie Albright

Our friends were at NAMM this year and loved it. - Tina Chase Gillmor

That's today's title -- "Squeezed at the bottom" - Rob Underwood

Analog synths are hot again. Lots of new "vintage" synths. - Murray Macdonald

90 minutes of Skype really drains the phone battery - Kevin Marks

Murray - that's like Steve's great point about the discovery that happens when people are playing around with the limitations and interactions of the gear. - Darius Dunlap

name this show. Undertones and Overtones. - clive boulton

Analog will come back, just like growing your own veggies :) - Simon Benvenutto

Keith - bland times, or are we more selfish? - Chien-Yu Lin

a bunch of young (and older) people slept in parks, especially in NYC, for months during Occupy. - Rob Underwood

The Slow Music Movement, Simon ;) - Julie Albright

That's BS. So much great music these days doesn't even have lyrics. Many top artists are instrumental. - Murray Macdonald

that seems like a political movement - Rob Underwood

what about the movement to stop SOPA? - Rob Underwood

If you're distorting your digital audio, you're doing it wrong - Kevin Marks

Lots of fascinating tweets by pmarca this week too... - Ian Waring

the individual culture experience I can accept, but there are mass organized movements happening... just organized more de-centralized so they don't look like movements of the past. - Rob Underwood

there SHOULD be a million person march about immigration but just because there is not that action happening about that issue doesn't mean there are major social movements. - Rob Underwood

Keith is right, but because of what Dan said: the internet broadens the playing field, almost everything is in the tail, and we depend on search engines to find what has value (ha!). Pre-internet politics, music, drinking's and your friends, culture, this was a much richer network. - Simon Benvenutto

and there are lots of movements on the right too, though that's not my cup of tea. - Rob Underwood

Not in Turkey p - Kevin Marks

taken - Rob Underwood

hey! I'm a Sociologist! Nice :) - Julie Albright

the thing that is a threat is income inequality - and it is difficult to fight it - demonstrations aren't effective - Charles Carrico

show name? - Tina Chase Gillmor

the shuggers are just another way of saying "limosine liberals", among other terms. - Rob Underwood

someone find a linkand post - Tina Chase Gillmor

Maybe what was expressed in 60s by music is now expressed now through social media. - Rob Underwood

Sharp comment Rob - Julie Albright

There were real news organizations in the 60s. The modern media monopoly killed the occupy movement. - Murray Macdonald

++ Charles - Rob Underwood

10cc Rubber Bullets - Ian Waring

Missed the Beatles but caught the Undertones https://soundcloud.com/jmbaker... - clive boulton

Show looks great. - Tom Guarriello

+1 Robs "Squeezed at the bottom" - clive boulton

Zeynep wrote a great essay on this - Kevin Marks

Pictures great - Ian Waring

The video is so good you might need to consider makeup artists. :P - Murray Macdonald

the/way of protesting is to develop alternate models. In this way, VCs and start-ups (some of them, hardly all) are today's protesters ... by suggesting alternate models of doing things. - Rob Underwood

WE WANT TINA'S HAND! - Charlie Isaacs

No not the hand - we prefer Tina's face - Charles Carrico

Durkheim on the GG! - Tom Guarriello

we want all of it Charles :) - Charlie Isaacs

Happy Valentine's Day y'all :) - Julie Albright

Thanks everyone. Enjoy the olympics - Murray Macdonald

... I got a fever ... and the only cure is more hand ! - Chien-Yu Lin

Great Show. - Darius Dunlap

Au Revoir - Ian Waring

Another great show. As always, learned something new. - Chien-Yu Lin

++ Murray on role of media/news orgs - Rob Underwood

Also molly crabapple http://mag.newsweek.com/2014... - Kevin Marks

Rob, agree with the comments, at least the hope, about Occupy/Income disaprity - Dale Lature

my larger point is that it (along with the Tea Party) are example of mass political movements. They might look/feel different than what we had in the 60s, but there are significant. The big US domestic movements in the 60s were civil rights and anti-way which were the backdrop the culture/music which we discussed. I think we have no less significant movements/issues today. - Rob Underwood

I'm now noticing how the Gang kind of se·gued almost immediately from Comcast/Time Warner deal to Streaming devices technology, and stayed away completely from the implications of the merger and the solidifying of the power of Comcast. Needed Doc on this one to keep the group on that topic - Dale Lature

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