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- Keith Teare
Goog confirms selling barge http://www.mercurynews.com/busines...
- clive boulton
I'm here, good morning!
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, your Internet back up...saw you mention it was down in Half Moon Bay yesterday?
- J.C. Bouvier
Oh great! GG...a "rational" excuse not to work on this project due Wednesday!
- Tom Guarriello
Not just the Internet was down. Phones, cell phones, and all connectivity.
- Robert Scoble
HMB like most places in SF Bay is probably sitting on an internet loop.
- clive boulton
Wow...any idea what the point of failure was?
- J.C. Bouvier
Backhoe Saturday
- clive boulton
Stone Age Scoble
- Moe Glitz
I hate the British Government but I love my country
- Moe Glitz
Palestine=Third rail
- Tom Guarriello
Please send wearables to... G3 ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert looks like he is wearing shoulder pads at some angles
- Moe Glitz
yes due to the red couch clending into his shirt
- Tina Chase Gillmor
blending
- Tina Chase Gillmor
With Twitters reach and influence they should be hitting the right numbers
- Moe Glitz
Twitter's numbers due almost wholly to World Cup. We'll see what next quarter's numbers are. On my screen it has slowed down again.
- Robert Scoble
@Kevin, that verification process is seemingly pretty whimsical...
- J.C. Bouvier
gray, the studio cat, is so glad Im back in town he won't leave me alone. he cares not that Im "trying" to direct this show ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
verification is used as a PR tool
- Kevin Marks
New football season starting across Europe soon Twitter hoping to tap into that as well
- Moe Glitz
“obsession” among journalists with Twitter. becuz they use it to communicate w/ each other?
- clive boulton
well said Dan
- clive boulton
Then Twitter needs to get behind the big TV and Sporting Events for Ad Dollars
- Moe Glitz
News Corp should forget about Time Warner and acquire Twitter
- Moe Glitz
How did Murdoch miss this play. Too interested in collecting trophy properties?
- clive boulton
Notifications, The Gospel according to Steve
- Moe Glitz
Well it is Sunday
- Moe Glitz
Fat lady is taking a long time to sing that final song in Redmond...
- Frank Paynter
wow the lighting in here continues to suck. Im thinking about putting another window in
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert in Redmond did you pick up a new energy?
- clive boulton
Microsoft only has the Enterprise to go after
- Moe Glitz
Moe, that's true, but another way to say it is that they have the Enterprise to retain. There are an awful lot of MS desktops in cubicle world.
- Frank Paynter
to go after Enterprise, Microsoft has to go after consumers or be another Oracle / Salesforce
- clive boulton
They may have to buy some Consumer based Enterprise Companies
- Moe Glitz
Clive: nope. Heh.
- Robert Scoble
Especially Cloud based ones
- Moe Glitz
My pals who moved from Windows and SQL to Cortana and Bing are more excited.
- clive boulton
I think Amazon should buy Microsoft...
- Frank Paynter
I think Amazon may end up buying Xbox
- clive boulton
And perhaps make a profit
- Moe Glitz
+1 Micro-audiences... -1 Notifications... how many of us are voluntarily going the way of Pavlov's pups?
- Frank Paynter
That's because Robert has his Network Channel
- Moe Glitz
wha????
- Frank Paynter
Friends vs Followers. Friends wins everyday
- Moe Glitz
facebook was already pretty big at bearhugcamp, and aral came and talked about it
- Kevin Marks
+duh, Steve...
- Frank Paynter
'Friends' is emotionally more relevant than 'Follow', that's why Facebook is so easy to understand to make connection..
- Satyajit
on G+ people add non-friends. on FB people add friends?
- clive boulton
Ha ha...let's face it, we all have about 10-15 conversation channels/apps on our devices, and we all have 'dial tone' on each? @Keith, I though you were working on a fix for all this crap?
- J.C. Bouvier
"normals" are always surprised when I tell them that I follow people on twitter who I think are interesting, and that most of them are people who I don't know.
- Darius Dunlap
ChatCenter is working out quite well. But still premature to think of it as solution. It will get there though.
- Keith Teare
... and that none of them are "celebrities." ;-)
- Darius Dunlap
darius - also weird when the "celebrities" follow back
- Kevin Marks
That's why we use Followers cause of their knowledge and influence
- Moe Glitz
The information network
- Moe Glitz
Google+ is dead
- Moe Glitz
Kevin: Ha ha!
- Darius Dunlap
The gent who pitched Google Wave - when he described - the message as the focus point...and that it should be platform agnostic, I think was right, how can we well tell a message to 'move' or exist on multiple channels - maybe iMessage can deliver in the iOS 8/Yosemite module integration...but now, 'effed'.
- J.C. Bouvier
They have let Hangouts go and are now sinking to the bottom of the ocean
- Moe Glitz
Somebody needs to give @scobleizer a tickle!
- Adnan
JC this is something we're looking at carefully in the indieweb indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
- Kevin Marks
Or a "Poke"
- Moe Glitz
Tx, Kevin, will take a look!
- J.C. Bouvier
he's gonna blow, folks!'
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@tina, ha ha....
- J.C. Bouvier
@Robert, just for fun, try it in Instagram...or I should say, try replying...
- J.C. Bouvier
One man's noise is another mans crucial information
- Tony Stanislawski
Instagram isn't that interesting to me for a whole lot of reasons. And I have 26,000 followers there.
- Robert Scoble
I mostly agree with Robert... but I HATE the Facebook algorithm and it is frustrating to know that I can't get my word out when I want to
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@Robert do you use G+ Circles?
- clive boulton
Tina, you nailed FB
- clive boulton
Yes, I use G+ circles. They suck when compared to Facebook lists.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: you can get the word out -- if you write awesome content. Most content on Facebook absolutely sucks.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert Agree with you. Creating Twitter lists offers killer ROI. Esp when viewing stream in multi-channel
- Dave Martin
And you can try to use Twitter to get word out and no one sees that either because they aren't online. I have 400,000 followers and only get a few thousand hits on any one post.
- Robert Scoble
Srobleizer — I'd like to hear you tease apart that statement about G+ Circles vs. Facebook lists
- Darius Dunlap
The real issue here is that human curation for each individual is still better than a ala carte algorithm for all
- Tony Stanislawski
Ha Scobleizer, of course. :-)
- Darius Dunlap
+1 FB content suks
- clive boulton
clive: Facebook is 100x better than Twitter or Google+ on my screen.
- Robert Scoble
Algorithms are early days, still
- Darius Dunlap
I love how time and effort are frowned upon. I watched local news and world new last night for the first time in a year. My time was wasted. I could spend that hour tweaking my feed and viewing that and find it 100 times more valuable.
- Tony Stanislawski
For normal people it's only Facebook and Twitter. Google+ is nowhere
- Moe Glitz
++Tony
- Darius Dunlap
Robert your social graph so large its a personal recommender system
- clive boulton
I recently realized that SOMEHOW i followed a whole bunch of people a few years ago on Twitter, quite by mistake, and I had no idea it happened. I had to go through my follow list and weed out. Im still not done
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Did someone mention "Track"
- Moe Glitz
kitty
- Tina Chase Gillmor
at least a tail
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Big stories bubble to the top if you follow the right folks on Twitter
- Tony Stanislawski
I've bee cat-grabbed
- Kevin Marks
Kty!
- Darius Dunlap
Kitty!
- Darius Dunlap
Dr Evil
- Moe Glitz
LoL!
- Darius Dunlap
clive: my social graph is both large and small, thanks to lists.
- Robert Scoble
cat is now swiping trackpad
- Kevin Marks
The biggest mess in tech is yahoo
- Moe Glitz
People come back to places that send them away - Dave Winer
- Dave Martin
Hasn't Marissa Mayer brought enough shoes
- Moe Glitz
one of my cats started playing a youtube Yoga video today. I kid you not
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am now covered in cat hair
- Kevin Marks
Google+ feels popular with folks publishing quality content: researchers / developers / academics
- clive boulton
our house is all about pet hair. We decided to make it a home fashion statement
- Tina Chase Gillmor
For those who, like me, are so disconnected from the haps that they thought "Nuzzle" was just a generally snuggly thing, I offer the following link (and the side comment that I wish people would learn to spell): http://nuzzel.com/
- Frank Paynter
we have poodles so no shedding from them
- Kevin Marks
missed the party. usually go
- Tina Chase Gillmor
missed you there
- Kevin Marks
We had friends at the Ritz, was awesome. So skipped TC
- Robert Scoble
Steve is showing his inner hippie :)
- Tony Stanislawski
if you watch the Tricaster screen you can see who i queue up for the next shot... potentially
- Tina Chase Gillmor
So, Twitter doesn't understand that this is an engagement ecosystem? They think that only the monetization event matters?
- Darius Dunlap
Steves reasoning is why I think Twitter is here to stay.....
- Tony Stanislawski
Thats why I had the smile....
- Tony Stanislawski
Or wink...LOL
- Tony Stanislawski
Money is a trailing variable
- Dave Martin
Hi Dave Winer
- Tony Stanislawski
Still wondering why you blocked me on Twitter and Facebook I love following and interacting with you....
- Tony Stanislawski
Tim Carmody http://kottke.org/14...
- Kevin Marks
borking our editorial decision making
- Tina Chase Gillmor
FB / Cupid abuse: does Respect Network have half a chance? https://www.respectnetwork.com/
- clive boulton
no, clive
- Kevin Marks
It overstates what they were actually doing.
- Darius Dunlap
Respect is just another silo attempt
- Kevin Marks
some of us post tech and non-tech
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kevin: I do like Personal Datastore / Camlistore 0.8 coming GCP ready
- clive boulton
Basically both Facebook and Twitter are User Generated Content Sites. It's down to which of the two sites that gets the better value from our content
- Moe Glitz
I don't mind having ad's in my Camlistore if I control what I share [Respect]
- clive boulton
Darius: I think Twitter dos understand that it is an engagement AND monetization ecosystem. But for them volume of engagements is driven in a poor way. They do not yet have the ability to deliver quality engagement consistently
- Keith Teare
In combination they are really really great!
- Tony Stanislawski
same same
- Tina Chase Gillmor
buy your competition
- Tina Chase Gillmor
slack
- Tina Chase Gillmor
not swarm
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Wow did not expect that Kevin
- Tony Stanislawski
Slack...yes
- J.C. Bouvier
Oh ok that makes more sense Kevin
- Tony Stanislawski
slack is awesome! Our whole team is always on it.
- Satyajit
Where do I check now: Swarm or 4sq?
- clive boulton
Anyone using Asana w/Slack?
- J.C. Bouvier
Seems like Foursquare has checked out of check-ins
- Moe Glitz
clive: you have to use Swarm.
- Robert Scoble
New Foursquare is coming out soon to compete with Yelp
- Tony Stanislawski
Keith - That's the way I hint of it, but it isn't always apparent from their actions and statements.
- Darius Dunlap
ever since foursquare spin off swarm... i hardly use it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe - yes.
- clive boulton
Called Help, Tony
- Moe Glitz
You can also have private groups as opposed to channels and integrate services with them
- Satyajit
++ Sweet Spot
- Darius Dunlap
I've been using FB Messenger for chatting in a small group
- Tina Chase Gillmor
They should become App.net? ;-)
- Darius Dunlap
Yea FB messenger can do this...Google Chat, G+ you name it
- Tony Stanislawski
Robert: thats what I thought, when Swarm showed up, but yesterday check in with 4sq (i think)
- clive boulton
You can still check in 4sq until the new app comes out soon
- Tony Stanislawski
Tony, ah thx
- clive boulton
I'm getting that!
- Darius Dunlap
Is Windows phone still doomed if bing Cortana takes off?
- clive boulton
Cortana can live as an iOS or Android App
- Moe Glitz
Does Microsoft sell off Nokia faster than Google sold Motorola?
- clive boulton
Apple doing deals with IBM & Microsoft. WTF
- Moe Glitz
May have needed Nokia to get Cortana patents
- clive boulton
Apple deals with IBM and Microsoft allow Apple to address those markets without having to build up their own capability for those markets.
- Darius Dunlap
Apple wants to sell to People, not Enterprise.
- Darius Dunlap
Is Cortana what Siri meant to be http://cliveboulton.com/search...
- clive boulton
By 2020 there will be no Enterprise. It will be all about people
- Moe Glitz
that's another thing I like about Slack - it assumes I can be part of multiple teams by default, not just one employer
- Kevin Marks
The future will be all about Personal Assistants
- Moe Glitz
WWDC releases made clear that more and more of Apple's internal capabilities will be released to developers as they mature. I expect similar will happen with Siri.
- Darius Dunlap
Bob done right! LOL
- Frank Paynter
Redmond is staffing up an Android team https://plus.google.com/u...
- clive boulton
LoL
- Darius Dunlap
Cortana can win as being an App on all platforms
- Moe Glitz
Cortana's replacing the Paperclip in Office? She's definitely sexier.
- Simon Benvenutto
I was hoping Keith would take it back to this...
- Darius Dunlap
I'm happy with an attractive personal productivity assistant
- clive boulton
Sure they will... IBM will sell it.
- Darius Dunlap
Large traditional enterprises are a trailing indicator.
- Darius Dunlap
If agent become entry points, like search engines, then they will be a monetisation point. But that's a crude use case, thus should be about improved interfaces that move beyond devices and into the environment.
- Simon Benvenutto
I got Steve to a beach TWICE!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina - LOL
- Darius Dunlap
Nuiku, Cortana for Salesforce... https://www.nuiku.com/
- clive boulton
Needs a new name clive
- Moe Glitz
I do that , Too
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yes, too much Bob in Nuiku: Nicki
- clive boulton
$24 billion in the last quarter? Good reminder @Dan Farber.
- Frank Paynter
! hello Nuiku: Where is Benioff :(
- clive boulton
! hello Nicki: Where is Benioff :)
- clive boulton
But you kept posting, Robert? Because you left town?
- Darius Dunlap
I would have thought earthquake
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Will you put any videos of your Microsoft trip online Robert?
- Moe Glitz
Robert's making the case for Google Balloons
- clive boulton
San Francisco Fail Whale
- Moe Glitz
suddenly you need the ham radio people
- Kevin Marks
Kevin - Indeed.
- Darius Dunlap
CB Radio
- Moe Glitz
this time of year you get real whales at the coast
- Kevin Marks
like CB radio :)
- clive boulton
Moe I already did on Facebook. You really need to watch me on Facebook. :-) http://www.facebook.com/roberts...
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, I've seen several whales, really great.
- Robert Scoble
Slack, Camlistore, Respect Network, Indieweb/POSSE, Nuzzel... FailWhale watching... thanks everyone for all the clues today.
- Frank Paynter
this is what I felt being on a cruise ship
- Tina Chase Gillmor
+1 Robert
- Moe Glitz
The Greys come in pretty close.
- Darius Dunlap
+1 Frank
- clive boulton
The cruise ship industry is "missing the boat" to not "give" wifi out to customers. they are missing a lot of social media promotion by trying to make a stupid buck
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gillmor Fail Whale By The Beach
- Moe Glitz
I wish I could "like" comments here in the chat
- Tina Chase Gillmor
We were at the track in Del Mar yesterday and had no iPhone connectivity. Wondered why...
- Frank Paynter
hey kevins oranges are all green in the background
- Adnan
Tina: indeed: I won't take a cruise w/o wifi.
- clive boulton
Frank, thanks for the list of stuff we talked about. Thanks everyone!
- Robert Scoble
that's the fresh crop, still some orange ones higher up and on the other tree
- Kevin Marks
Clive... they offer wifi.... for a price
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Damn...have to go back to work on that project now! Thanks, as always, GG.
- Tom Guarriello
I'll bet, wifi rates like Sheraton Hotels
- clive boulton
Great show everyone
- Moe Glitz